Honduras Parachromis

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Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:37 pm

Since Juan has recently moved the La Ceiba yellow head Parachromis from possibly being a loiselli to possible being a fredrichstalli I thought I throw some pics out from our last few trips, I really believe there are more species of Parachromis yet to be discribed just in Honduras including the La Ceiba fish.
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Male Rio Copan motoguense
Male Rio Copan motoguense
Female Rio Claro dovii
Female Rio Claro dovii
Male Rio Claro dovii
Male Rio Claro dovii
La Ceiba managuense
La Ceiba managuense
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La Ceiba Pair in the Aquarium
La Ceiba Pair in the Aquarium
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Wild male La Ceiba Parachromis
Wild male La Ceiba Parachromis
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 3:55 pm

Now some fish we caught in the Moskito coast area, a series of fish from one small stream, at least 4, maybe 5 species all at the same location. These fish were all caught in the exact same spot!
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Gold managuense ?
Gold managuense ?
Loiselli ??
Loiselli ??
Parachromis ??
Parachromis ??
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Maybe dovii?
Maybe dovii?
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Green Parachromis ??
Green Parachromis ??
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Green Parachromis ??
Green Parachromis ??
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:02 pm

Now a few huge white managunese from the Rio Rappa, Moskito
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 4:07 pm

Best use of huge managunse in the field
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by saltydog_1 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 5:45 pm

very nice! are any of these being grown out to see how they develop? i really like the white managuense, how did they taste?

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 8:23 pm

Unforunantly it was over 100F each day and we lost most of the fish we caught last year in the Moskito coast. The first group of fish (Moto, man,yellow head and dovii are all in the hobby now). We plan to go back in May, especially for the green Parachromis. Got to get that fish! Ken
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by saltydog_1 » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:25 pm

good luck, i hope you get them. what other fish do you expect to collect in the area?

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Alex Odesit » Mon Jan 12, 2009 9:35 pm

Ken, thanks for sharing the pictures, I really enjoy to see all of these Parachromis, most of them unfamiliar!
Looking careful at the first picture, it reminds me so much my new Moto in his coloration. Are red tiger Moto's so much alike in coloration or it's possible that my guy is related to the fish you brought last year from Honduras? Here the link to my thread:
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:17 pm

Hi Alex, if it came from Eddie (Bluegrass cichlids) or Mo (via Rapps) yes it'll be realted. Ken
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Alex Odesit » Mon Jan 12, 2009 10:20 pm

Ken Davis wrote:Hi Alex, if it came from Eddie (Bluegrass cichlids) or Mo (via Rapps) yes it'll be realted. Ken
Got my answer, thanks for reply Ken 8)

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Rick Thibert » Tue Jan 13, 2009 12:52 am

That "Green Parachromis" looks stunning! I can understand your need (or want) to go back and get some! :) STUNNING! Love the dappling from the operculum forward! :)

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Ken Davis » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:37 am

Resized the picture to make it a little bigger. We're not even sure what species it may be. cf Loiselli??
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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Alex Odesit » Tue Jan 13, 2009 9:28 am

Ken Davis wrote:Resized the picture to make it a little bigger. We're not even sure what species it may be. cf Loiselli??
Looks more sp Fredy to me

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Dan Woodland » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:34 am

Before everyone starts classifying these fish as new species remember these areas were visited and collected expensively in the past. Chances are these fish have all been in the hobby for quite some time or are simply color variants or the result of different foods available in their natural ranges. Also keep in mind these fish, most of them, live in turbulent weather locations where hurricanes and flooding have moved animals to and from areas they normally would not be found. Regarding color morphs look at the "green form" of exC. istlantum. It turned out to be a result of the abundance of green algae they ate as a result of "farming" run-off. Has anyone been able to duplicate their deep emerald green “natural” color in the aquarium?

This doesn’t take away from the fact these are all very nice fish or the excitement surrounding them were they may be a new strain or even a new species, we just have to remember not to forget history as we may simply have found what’s already been….

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Death Angel » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:39 am

Very nice. I have to have this fish

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Alex Odesit » Tue Jan 13, 2009 10:45 am

I agree, I should not rush to say 'sp' yet, but it does resembles Parachromis friedrichsthalii to me.

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by chc » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:08 am

Dan Woodland wrote:Before everyone starts classifying these fish as new species remember these areas were visited and collected expensively in the past. Chances are these fish have all been in the hobby for quite some time or are simply color variants or the result of different foods available in their natural ranges. Also keep in mind these fish, most of them, live in turbulent weather locations where hurricanes and flooding have moved animals to and from areas they normally would not be found. Regarding color morphs look at the "green form" of exC. istlantum. It turned out to be a result of the abundance of green algae they ate as a result of "farming" run-off. Has anyone been able to duplicate their deep emerald green “natural” color in the aquarium?

This doesn’t take away from the fact these are all very nice fish or the excitement surrounding them were they may be a new strain or even a new species, we just have to remember not to forget history as we may simply have found what’s already been….
Good post! The species question is always difficult.

I appreciate that Ken and the others are keeping them separated as races or whatever you want to call them. I couldn't care less if they get designated as new species or just races. The bottom line is they are gorgeous and interesting fish. That La Ceiba fish is HOT! Thanks to all of you guys who helped bring them in!

Hey Dan, regarding the green istlanum, are you speaking of the race that was represented (and won a few awards) at the ACA a few years ago? That was a distinctly green fish, and I've been chasing that fish ever since I saw him there!

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Dan Woodland » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:11 pm

If you mean this fish, yes but I don't think the one in the show looked like this.

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by chc » Tue Jan 13, 2009 6:47 pm

Great pic Dan........ Here's the one I was talking about (thanks Chris P!). ACA Convention 2003:

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Re: Honduras Parachromis

Post by Alex Odesit » Tue Jan 13, 2009 11:36 pm

Chris, this Islantum is some serious fish! Beautiful clean specimen! Mean looking too 8)

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