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7: convict cichlid links

Posted: Wed Nov 19, 2008 7:45 am
by illustrator
There is a lot more out there, on the internet. So please feel free to suggest more and I'll add it in the list ...

General:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Convict_ci ... te_note-20
Surprisingly good wikipedia page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hpLEUCh54aI
small film showing convicts in nature

http://cichlidresearch.com/cichlidaquarium.html
general aquarium care: one of the best

http://www.tropicalfish.co.za/index.htm
log describing growing up

http://www.wetwebmedia.com/FWSubWebInde ... ctfaqs.htm
good FAQ on convict cichlids, but it takes time to find what you may need between the messages

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3337&p=20738&hilit=kanna#p20738
systematics topic on this forum

viewtopic.php?f=4&t=5678
Rio Choluteca, on this forum

http://burnel.club.fr/galerie.htm
Phillipe Burnel's page with photos of convicts from known localities

http://sulfide-life.info/mtobler/index. ... Itemid=151
Michi Tobler on convict cichlids

http://www.borstein.com/sam/?Welcome_To ... chlid_Page
Sam Borstein's Cichlid Site


Feral convict populations:

http://www.fishbase.org/Introductions/I ... kcode=3811
http://www.aquarticles.com/articles/con ... ation.html
http://nas.er.usgs.gov/queries/Collecti ... ciesID=447
various localities

http://www.dpi.vic.gov.au/DPI/nreninf.n ... chlids.pdf
http://www.environment.gov.au/biodivers ... -part3.pdf
Australia

http://www.pc.gc.ca/pn-np/ab/banff/natcul/natcul4_E.asp
http://www.bowvalleymountainforum.org/f ... ystems.pdf
Canada

http://apt.allenpress.com/perlserv/?req ... O%3B2&ct=1
http://aquat1.ifas.ufl.edu/guide/fish.html
http://myfwc.com/Fishing/pdf/ExoticList.pdf
http://fishweb.ifas.ufl.edu/Faculty%20P ... id2005.pdf
http://iswgfla.org/files/South%20Fla%20 ... ap%209.pdf
Florida

http://www.hawaii.edu/environment/H1IntroFish.html
Hawaii

http://www.bio.txstate.edu/~tbonner/txf ... ciatum.htm
Texas (but some info should be added here …)

http://fishandgame.idaho.gov/cdc/cwcs_p ... pecies.pdf
Idaho

http://water.nv.gov/hearings/dry_cave_d ... 201985.pdf
https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/w ... al/335/206
http://www.accessmylibrary.com/coms2/su ... 3-7971_ITM
http://www.nativefish.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=160
http://fwie.fw.vt.edu/WWW/esis/lists/e251020.htm
http://www.fao.org/docrep/009/ae997b/AE997B21.htm
http://water.nv.gov/hearings/dry_cave_d ... n%20PV.pdf
http://www.usbr.gov/pmts/fish/Reports/C ... Report.pdf
Nevada

http://www.fws.gov/mountain-prairie/spe ... t%2007.pdf
Wyoming; Nevada

http://www.lcrgap.org/documents/2005_1_year_report.pdf
http://rydberg.biology.colostate.edu/~p ... graphs.pdf
Colorado

http://www.bio.tamu.edu/users/rosenthal ... ojects.htm
http://www.nanfa.org/research.shtml
Mexico

http://www.aquarium-forum.at/showthread.php?t=5015
http://www.zierfischforum.at/biotopfoto ... 36134.html
Austria (forums)


Some literature (some are summaries only):

http://wfsc.tamu.edu/winemiller/lab/W&T ... -JFB82.pdf
inbreeding

http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anz42-free/anz42-485.pdf
http://www.sekj.org/PDF/anzf41/anzf41-487.pdf
http://www.usask.ca/biology/chivers/102.pdf
alarm substances (feromones) & antipredator behaviour

http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=7959568 (Does anyone have a .pdf or can anyone make a .pdf of this article for me? I'd love to read it. )
http://people.eku.edu/santangelon/docs/ ... -2005b.pdf
http://www.emscharts.com/pub/images/Tec ... chlids.pdf
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 1&SRETRY=0
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 265b913ecb
http://beheco.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/co ... ct/5/4/439
http://cat.inist.fr/?aModele=afficheN&cpsidt=4161214
courtship & mate selection

http://www.csus.edu/indiv/c/colemanr/Pu ... 41_546.pdf
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science?_o ... 750df73565
http://lib.bioinfo.pl/pmid:10413557
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 7/abstract
http://www.faqs.org/abstracts/Zoology-a ... males.html
parental care

http://journals.royalsociety.org/conten ... 0kj7u613h/
http://www.practicalfishkeeping.co.uk/p ... ?news=1861
rather next to a more agressive species

http://www2.gsu.edu/~biomgx/Publication ... avior1.pdf
http://psycnet.apa.org/index.cfm?fa=buy ... -20401-001
http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/b ... awler=true
agression & stress

http://www.bioone.org/perlserv/?request ... 34dc8659b2
http://www.springerlink.com/content/ku428p6p77g0302m/
ontogeny

http://www.ingentaconnect.com/content/b ... awler=true
filial imprinting

https://ojs.lib.byu.edu/ojs/index.php/w ... al/335/206
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 8/abstract
introduced cons versus native fish

http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 1&SRETRY=0
http://www.springerlink.com/content/tg2m216417625gwr/
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/jour ... 1&SRETRY=0
toxins/radiation

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 8:37 am
by illustrator
added some more links: no suggestions for other ones yet?

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Thu Dec 04, 2008 3:49 pm
by Vincent Fu
Thanks for posting the link to the inbreeding article. It's something I've always wondered about.

It would have been nice if they had started with a few pairs of convicts to see on average how many generations can inbreed before deformities appear.

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 3:44 am
by illustrator
To me there are some shortcomings of this article: the fish originated from trade and could have been inbred for many generations already, but this is not known. I think that some effects of inbreeding might become visible before you have severely deformed fish, for instance in the form of irregularities in colour patterns and reduced growth. They did not look at this. Finally, it's a single "experiment" with offspring from a single pair, experience from other species shows that inbreeding efects can vary a lot with different "lines", even if the origin of founder animals is the same. So I would take it as an indication of what can happen, not so much more. However, it's very time-consuming to do this kind of experimental breeding (how much of keepers salary would it have cost?) so I doupt if there is much more detailed info available on cichlid inbreeding...

Here is where aquarium-keepers can contribute a lot to general scientific knowledge ... So, who keeps a species for many generations and has detailed notes about possible inbreeding effects?

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 7:38 am
by Bas Pels
My Guatemala convicts (I"m not certein whether wild caught or F1) bred for 2 generations, produced some offspring with incomplete opercula

I'm not certain whether this was a result of ingbreeding, or evern genetic, as it was approx 2 out of 40, and the offspring (as far as it survived, I consider them somewhat as plaque animals, so i added Petenia to keep numbers acceptable) grew wel - 5 cm in 6 months or better

As stated, I do have some selection, preventing perhaps the inbred results to become visible

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 8:16 am
by illustrator
Bas: this sounds like a classical example of mutational load of a wild population: thanks for posting! Would be interesting to find out if this is caused by a resessive mutation (which apears logical).

I plan to write a separate subject in this blog where I will explain terms like mutations, mutational load, fluctuating asymetry and inbreeding depression because I am not sure if everyone follows this :shock:

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Fri Dec 05, 2008 10:31 am
by Bas Pels
I do still have quite afew fishes of this group - and I don't intend to loose them all

In case you are interested, and happen te be around, we might be able to arrange something (I could, for instance kidnap a few litters)

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 2:09 pm
by illustrator
I'm afraid that I don't have an aquarium free for this ...

However, I'd like to come over to try to photograph your concicts-from-known-localities one day! If you agree I'll send you a message when I know when I'll be in the Netherlands.

P.s. do you know anything about convicts from French Guyana or Surinam that are apparently also kept in NL (so from another population which is very far outside the natural distribution of the species)?

Re: 9: convict cichlid links

Posted: Sat Dec 06, 2008 4:19 pm
by Bojan Dolenc
illustrator wrote:Bas: this sounds like a classical example of mutational load of a wild population: thanks for posting! Would be interesting to find out if this is caused by a resessive mutation (which apears logical).

I plan to write a separate subject in this blog where I will explain terms like mutations, mutational load, fluctuating asymetry and inbreeding depression because I am not sure if everyone follows this :shock:
Paul, this is very good idea, I think, it will do no harm to anybody :)
We are learning all of the Life 8)

Re: 7: convict cichlid links

Posted: Wed Mar 18, 2009 12:52 pm
by illustrator
Convict cichlids in Japan: http://tansuigyo.maxs.jp/a/link4-9.html

An online translation of the japanese text:
"The one which fishes at the place where warm discharged water flows had fished this fish. When it is story of the one, last year (2000) from fish beginning, now, it seems that is seen normally. Unlike the discharge of the single-engine tropical fish, in order number that no [ri] to be, it is thought that from the fact that also the Nile tilapia of warm discharged water and the same type which are stabilized inhabits, also propagation is possible. As for I teaching as for the notion that where at 2001 August it has fished from last year, it is thought that hibernation it is possibility it is high. At present, being able to verify the waters where it is it is narrow, is, but being discharged to another place, from here in order not to spread, note is necessary. I with collection about of 1 hours 2 individuals verify in 2001 September. As for identification “photograph bulletin board 2001 December” being similar, you instructed. The alias name, [buratsukubandetsudoshikuritsudo] compared to recently [konbikutoshikuritsudo] of fame ([konvuikutoshikuritsudo]) with it seems that is called. Recently habitat is not verified."

Apparently this concerns an introduced population at artificially warmed water (cooling water from some industry). I posted the link here because of the pictures of fish from this population.