Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

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Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Colby Dixon » Wed Jul 29, 2009 8:22 pm

Hey folks,

The Cichlidbase project needs your help! While Alex Calder is working on version 3.0 (Blog) we are attempting to positively ID and validate suspected ID's of many of our Cichlid photographs. Juan has graciously agreed to let us use this Forum's Expertise in verifying our photos. Any and all help is appreciated. All photos by Alex Calder.

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I love this picture! This fish was labeled as a female Lamprologus meleagris

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Mark Smith » Thu Jul 30, 2009 8:07 am

Yes it is, and it also has a deformed snout.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by JimmyTheFish » Mon Aug 03, 2009 11:54 pm

It is meleagris which from Ads book is synonomous with stappersi

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Lisachromis » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:02 am

I believe that they are no longer considered the same fish, even by Ad.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Philippe Burnel » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:41 am

The problem beeing to find the true stapersii in order to compare with meleagris

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Mark Smith » Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:52 am

Exactly, Philippe. If someone could just get to the type locality of L. stappersi and make extensive samplings, this unknown species just might become finally known.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by snakeskinner » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:53 pm

I'm glad my decision to continue calling my fish meleagris might be for good reason. you never know when something like that will happen so I tend to keep the name intact as it was passed to me..

that does look like meleagris to me and I agree the face is a bit deformed.

although, what does a meleagris/speciosus hybrid look like?

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by James Shingler » Sat Sep 12, 2009 3:51 pm

I wondered is this a better example of the fish in question?
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But it kind of shows the same prob with the mouth and snout shape?
I am wondering if this is a common prob with this fish? Rather than a hybrid problem?
(Not my fish or my photo)
Personally I have no expertise in separating stapersii from meleagris (or even a speciosus hybrid) surely they should be considered the same species until it is sorted out?) but then I just keep fish and try and keep up with the naming stuff.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Lisachromis » Sat Sep 12, 2009 6:53 pm

I don't see quite the shortened face on the fish you posted James as compared to the original post.....

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Sep 12, 2009 11:07 pm

Hi James

Attempting to separate L. stappersii from L. meleagris (I am assuming you mean just visual observation in captivity?) is a moot question, since L. stappersii has never been imported. L. stappersii and L. meleagris are both valid species. Physically, they are likely very similar. The live coloration of L. stappersii is unknown.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by James Shingler » Sat Sep 19, 2009 8:23 pm

So these guys are a meleagris too?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Lampr ... alemcl.jpg
http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1760
And all the ones I see sold as strappersii ? :shock:

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Mark Smith » Sun Sep 20, 2009 10:11 am

Yes

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by anthonysaquabuddies » Sat Feb 01, 2014 3:20 am

I have hecqui there mean. as hell and have bred in captivity

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Midknight » Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:01 am

-- I am bumping this thread out of curiosity. I have a breeding group of what I have been calling, and selling as, 'Lamprologus' stappersi. I based that information on the once apparent, I say apparent, widespread acceptance of the name stappersi as the valid species identification. Based upon what I have read here, am I to understand that there are actually two distinct species, 'L.' stappersi and 'L.' meleagris, the latter being what we have in the hobby and the former being a fish never exported to the trade?
-- If that is correct, I have to make an adjustment to my usage of the two names. All the while I thought I was correcting a mistake in the hobby when I used the name stappersi, I was actually perpetuating one. Is that so?
-- It is a bit confusing. Even the CRC profiles only list stappersi. There is no profile for meleagris, unless I missed something in my searching.

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Re: Lamprologus meleagris ID confirmation

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:17 am

It would be prudent to continue to refer to this species by the name it was formally described under by Buscher as L. meleagris. Until thorough sampling from the exact area that L. stappersi was found at takes place, Konings' well thought out assumption synonymising L. meleagris with L. stappersi, mentioned in his latest Tanganyikan book ought to be received with a great deal of hesitation, due to the fact that his assumptions are often times proven incorrect (initially not acknowledging the validity of Benthochromis horii and Lamprologus laparogramma, to site just two examples) and that Lake Tanganyika is filled with all sorts of different, yet similar looking species. Perhaps the most striking example of that is Neolamprologus furcifer and N. timidus, two species that look virtually identical and live side by side, within inches of each other. Many other examples could be made.

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