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Tony L
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Crossed Africans

Post by Tony L » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:41 am

Is the sale of cross breed fish okay at the auction, if they are clearly marked as such?
Fish involved were Metriaclima Estherae & Metriaclima Zebra, probably Otter point variation.

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by jcunningham0295 » Tue Nov 11, 2014 9:08 am

If fish are crossed they should not be introduced back into the hobby via auction or being sold to other hobbyist. This hurts the hobby and circulates fish down the road that nobody knows what they are. While every hobbyist needs to take precautions against cross breeding and cull is this does happen. It is hard enough as it is to get pure strains of some of the cichlids out there. This is just my opinion from one hobbyist to another.
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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by Tony L » Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:16 am

I totally agree with your thoughts and beliefs here, which I why I inquired first and noted that they would be clearly marked.

I was sold a fish that was not what it was supposed to be and thereby had this mating. I had room in my tank at the time so let them grow out, and they are really good looking fish, all between 3" & 5" long.

I will see what other options I have as I do not wish to kill them at this point, even if I have to keep them.

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by Kyle May » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:51 pm

Tony.

I had some Bifasciatus that were crossed a few years ago.
I didn't realize it and took entered them in the fish show.

A world famous expert on Centrals pointed out that they were crossed
and when I found out I was going to kill them all. His response to me was:
"They are beautiful. If you enjoy them, then keep them."
Now I'm a purist and, like you, I've accidentally gotten crossed fish.
One of the dumbest things I ever did was give those fish away in the interest of having no crossed fish in my basement.
I would never have bred them...so the hobby was safe....but I should've never sold them. They were nothing short of beautiful.

So I applaud you for being the guy who'll keep them rather than selling them off to the unsuspecting. It's guys like you that keep this hobby strong.
Oh...and here's a pic of that fish that I'll never get a 2nd chance at:
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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by Kyle May » Tue Nov 11, 2014 8:52 pm

I hope you still have those Strazinsky!!!!!
Sell 'em?

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by LewC » Wed Nov 12, 2014 6:51 am

He probably sold them as wild-caught Paratheraps bifasciatus "Rio Cuchiculo". ;)

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by AquaLady » Mon Jan 19, 2015 9:41 am

I feed my hybrids to my adult fish
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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by AquaLady » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:11 am

Estherae and zebras are the same, are they not?
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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by Tony L » Tue Jan 20, 2015 7:16 am

Same genus, "Metriaclima"

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by LewC » Tue Jan 20, 2015 10:55 am

Pseudotropheus estherae are called "Red Zebra" because people used to think it was a color morph of Pseudotropheus zebra. Both are now in the Metriaclima genus (though some people call the genus "Maylandia"), but are definitely different species.

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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by Tony L » Tue Jan 20, 2015 11:32 am

I purchased what was supposed to be a Metriaclima Callainos whic was about 1" when I got it. As it got larger bars started to appear which I do not believe is obvious on the M, Callainos. About a year later it breed with my Estherae and I ended up with about 7 surviving and they were a mixed bag of light blue with bars, Dark Blue, no bars, and bright Orange and one creamy orange. All good looking fish but there was probably cross breeding before I even got them. I seperated the female from the mix and have had no more crosses. I would like to keep the lines of fish I am breeding as pure as possible.
Like I mentioned, they are really good looking fish but I was hoping to make room for what I really want to breed. That is why I was looking to sale them off or even give them away.
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Re: Crossed Africans

Post by bennymoreno51 » Mon May 25, 2015 1:29 pm

amen to that nice photo of your fish

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