Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

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Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by SergeS » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:24 am

Does anyone happen to know where to P. saulosi "coral red" comes from? It is sometimes being offered as wildcaught fish, some say it's just the most colourful specimens in the population, others even say it's a hybrid (P. saulosi X M. estherae?), but no-one seems to be sure!

Coral red: http://www.vissercichlids.nl/stocklist/images/59.jpg

Normal: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... aulosi.jpg

The female is the orange/yellow one.

The reason I ask, is that the P. saulosi is endemic to a small reef (which is not much more than a rock), and I am not sure how likely it is that both the "Coral red" and the "normal" Saulosi appear at the same place?

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by Philippe Burnel » Thu Oct 21, 2010 4:54 am

I think it's only a line breed of the most colorful fishes
A selection...
Certainly not wild caught

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by Dan Woodland » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:11 am

Definitely influenced by man!

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by SergeS » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:13 pm

That is what I figured as well, especially as the original place where they're found is so small (Taiwanee Reef).

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by SergeS » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:26 pm

Found more information, and probably answered my own question :) Apparently, there's two "coral red", that have nothing to do with eachother.

One of them is a crossbred product from Eastern Europe, where Saulosi's were mixed with Metriaclima (Maylandia) Estherae, thus producing females that are deep orange. Not sure if this is true - or even possible - as the males appear to be 'normal' Saulosi's.

Then, there is another "coral red", wildcaught! They are simply the prettiest specimens caught by (the late) Stuart Grant's divers, where some females are a deeper yellow than others. A bit like "Premium quality" Saulosi's :)

All unconfirmed, but it would explain why wildcaught or F1 Coral reds exist :)

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by Dan Woodland » Thu Oct 21, 2010 8:50 pm

Personally I'm ALWAYS leery of "fancy" names. For example, "Starry Night T. duboisi". :(

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by Esben » Sat Oct 23, 2010 11:59 am

Here are some pictures from the lake:

http://www.wildcichlids.com/Species/Pse ... n-204.aspx

Can not understand, why man will change this beautiful fish by linebreeding them. :)
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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by SergeS » Sun Oct 24, 2010 6:06 am

Dan Woodland wrote:Personally I'm ALWAYS leery of "fancy" names. For example, "Starry Night T. duboisi". :(
Me too, but in the case of Malawi there's quite a few like that that are sometimes old, but still perfectly valid, such as "Eletric blue hap" (Sciaenochromis fryeri) or "Electric Yellow" (Labidochromis caeruleus) :)

@ Esben: could not agree more. I'm not against linebreeding (vs. crossbreeding!), but there's very few "designer fish" that I actually find attractive! It's a matter of taste I guess ;) Besides, I'm not just in interested in the pretty colours, but also in biotopes, biology, anatomy, behaviour, etc. Just like most people on this forum I presume.

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by vics » Sun Oct 31, 2010 7:21 am

i read somewhere that the "coral red" saulosi is a goegraphical varient located at "taiwan reef".

i will try to find the article where i read this, not sure if it is fact as there seem's to be a general veiw that they are in fact linebred.
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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by Lisachromis » Thu May 26, 2016 7:55 am

Out of curiousity, has anyone confirmed what this really is? Are there 2 going around; one real and one hybrid?

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Re: Pseudotropheus saulosi Coral Red?

Post by JHG » Thu May 26, 2016 7:05 pm

I'm still looking for info on this as well. A lot of US fish sellers have these in their lists but few know much about their origin.

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