Beware of Colorful Hybrid

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Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Fri Jun 19, 2009 4:30 pm

This fish is being referred to as a new yellow variant of Astatotilapia calliptera found in the lake. Just letting fellow hobbyists know that this is a hybrid, likely between Labidochromis caeruleus Lion's Cove and Astatotilapia calliptera.
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Dan Woodland » Fri Jun 19, 2009 11:55 pm

Great post Mark. Thanks for the heads up. I encourage more fish keepers to post this sort of news... :(

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:08 am

My pleasure Dan. It's the least I can do to help prevent the dumbing down of our great hobby.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Philippe Burnel » Sat Jun 20, 2009 12:14 am

Wonderfull !!!
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Nice picture to add here : http://burnel.perso.neuf.fr/horreur_hybrides.htm

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:04 am

Interesting photos Philippe, especially the Tropheus duboisi x Thoracochromis brauschi cross. Feel free to use my photo in your site.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Philippe Burnel » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:56 am

thanks. I add it.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by dogofwar » Sat Jun 20, 2009 6:24 pm

Specifically who is doing this? A vendor?
Mark Smith wrote:This fish is being referred to as a new yellow variant of Astatotilapia calliptera found in the lake. Just letting fellow hobbyists know that this is a hybrid, likely between Labidochromis caeruleus Lion's Cove and Astatotilapia calliptera.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Jun 20, 2009 10:08 pm

I'm not sure. It was being sold at a nearby tropical fish store. I'll try to find out, though.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by nick a » Mon Jun 22, 2009 8:39 am

Here's another one for you Phillipe: Labidochromis caeruleus X Tropheops red fin
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Lisachromis » Mon Jun 22, 2009 10:25 am

Nick,

How do you know that's a cross? *curious*

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Phreatobius » Thu Jul 09, 2009 11:06 pm

In my opinion the head just doesnt look right to me.The mouth really looks off in my mind.Making reference to the link, I really didnt think a Dimidiochromis compressiceps X Labidochromis caeruleus was possible :shock:

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Klaus Steinhaus » Fri Jul 10, 2009 7:54 am

How about some "new" Tropheus.
These fish were offered as wild Tropheus sp. "Red Phoenix" in Australia but were later dismantled as hybrids from east Asia. Image

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Darrell Ullisch » Mon Jul 20, 2009 11:12 am

Back in the 1980s a local aquarist had a cross between a male D. compressiceps and a female Pseudotropheus livingstonei. I don't believe anyone ever got any pictures. The disturbing part of this is that he actually sold them to local stores, under the name Haplochromis kalamazooi. Fortunately, he left the hobby.
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Marius Purcel » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:17 am

What about this "NEW" specie of Frontosa, called "Black Widow" and it was marketed as a new collected specie in the wild. In essence a hybrid between Burundi Frontosa and Nimbochromis Livingstoni

Most likely birthed in Asia, I was surprised to see it marketed in Germany
http://www.airfish.de/stocklist/Cyphoti ... ck_wi.html
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Philippe Burnel » Wed Jul 29, 2009 10:52 am

Be carefull !
I've got many problems with the guy who sell this species because I've used his picture in this forum and in my personnal web site.
He sells the fishes but seems to be not really proud of that.

Take off the picture if you don't want this guy to come out of his grave

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Marius Purcel » Wed Jul 29, 2009 11:34 am

Philippe Burnel wrote:Be carefull !
I've got many problems with the guy who sell this species because I've used his picture in this forum and in my personnal web site.
He sells the fishes but seems to be not really proud of that.

Take off the picture if you don't want this guy to come out of his grave
I would gladly recognize this specie as a wild and "natural" specimen, if he comes up with some scientific evidence of it that doesn't show otherwise. Until then, hundreds of times it has been repeated all throughout these years that these are indeed man made hybrids of Asian origin.

For me, I'm not doing this to slam his business, be as it may, I would keep the fish as it is, even if I know it is a hybrid, but I call it as it is until I am proven otherwise.
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Darrell Ullisch » Wed Aug 05, 2009 10:59 am

Marius, posting someone else's photo anywhere without permission is a violation of copyright. Posting a link is allowed, but posting the photo itself is not. In fact, that photo needs to be removed from here before the original source gets wind of it, otherwise it could cause problems for Juan and CRC. If you want to know how serious this is, see Mark Smith's new post in the General Cichlids forum section.
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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Wed Aug 05, 2009 1:14 pm

If I might, I don't think this Black Widow frontosa is a hybrid. I have already seen this photo, or photos similar to it, on Air Fish's site, who does have permission to use those photos. It appears to be a line bred C. frontosa, developed to show the blotched pattern.

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by dogofwar » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:06 pm

I agree - not a hybrid but line bred for crossed stripes.

I've seen that picture emerge periodically for years. He must be selling enough of them to make it worth his while...

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Re: Beware of Colorful Hybrid

Post by Mark Smith » Sat Sep 12, 2009 4:54 pm

Just got an update that this fish is coming out of Florida and being called Astatotilapia "Kenya Gold".

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