Tomocichla asfraci

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Wed Mar 31, 2010 8:34 am

Hi Rick. There's been a couple of recent spawns (on the glass floor) but no hatching. I'm going to put a new 'surface' in for them and see if they'll lay on it.......I'll have to remove the spawn again methinks.
Pick of the fry shortly.....
Graham

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Wed Mar 31, 2010 10:52 am

I'll be doing the same approach with my pair. How big is your pair again?
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Rick Thibert » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:40 am

Grummie2 wrote:Hi Rick
Pick of the fry shortly.....
I eagerly await a return trip to yours! ;p

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Thu Apr 01, 2010 3:49 am

Norcal_Cichlid wrote:I'll be doing the same approach with my pair. How big is your pair again?
male is easily 10" and stocky, female 7" and a bit the worse for her past (looks wise), but well bonded, very little aggression between the two.

Here's pics of the 2 juveniles, they're 3"+ now.

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Rick, you're welcome ........hope you like angels, swords and guppies now tho' lol!!!!!
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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Michael Kwist » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:09 am

Here some pictures of adult asfraci F1 from the Rio Guabo (Panama) I made this pictures by a friend a time ago.. he had even eggs and fry of them 8)
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Female

If i look to your pair Grummie i see a lot of diffrents between the asfraci.. do you know the catchlocation from your fish?
Greetings Michael.

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Rick Thibert » Thu Apr 01, 2010 5:46 am

I believe his are from Conkel........... but allow Grum to say for certain!

I forgot the catch location and a second look at Don's site doesn't show this species on his list! :(

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Piotr Koba » Thu Apr 01, 2010 8:48 am

WHAT-A-FISH, male is great especially!
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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Thu Apr 01, 2010 9:40 am

Great looking male!
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Rick Thibert » Thu Apr 01, 2010 2:16 pm

Deffo two different races.

Norcal, where are yours from?? SUpplier and catch location?? :)

Grum, the view from the end of your road was fantastic.............. I really liked that...........

Swords are up my alley as well............... looks like I'll be lining your pockets! ;)

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:16 pm

Got them from Ken Davis nearly 4 years ago. Rio Guabo F1. I think the big problem with most of these dying out here in the US was old bloodlines. I got 5 smaller F1's and they all did great, not a sign of bloat (I lost more than I can count before to bloat). The pair and one additional female are from that group.
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Sun Apr 04, 2010 3:00 am

Yes Rick, these were from Conkel. Michael, I don't know their catch location but I'm sure Rick will have a word with Don for me if he comes over to the UK to give a talk. These fish do present a challenge, hard to raise, and when grown hard to to spawn, I really need to revise hatching methods with these due to the length of time before free swimming. I'm sure the exposure to bacteria while in larval stage has a lot to do with fin/body development......I know this is true when raising angels.
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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Rick Thibert » Sun Apr 04, 2010 6:18 am

Graham I will try to get you a catch location from Don.

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