Tomocichla asfraci

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Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Sun Nov 01, 2009 4:27 pm

I've finally got wrigglers from my pair after many failures. There's only about 100 from a spawn of 500+ but it's a start. I hope this is a sign that the male is maturing and the viability will increase in (hopefully) future spawns. I had to remove the eggs from the pair as they were fighting and not defending the spawn from their tankmates.
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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by davidefc » Sun Nov 01, 2009 5:35 pm

Congratz with the spawn Graham, post some pictures!

Good luck raising the fry, put me down for acouple :)

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Dan Woodland » Sun Nov 01, 2009 6:52 pm

Grummie2 wrote:I've finally got wrigglers from my pair after many failures. There's only about 100 from a spawn of 500+ but it's a start. I hope this is a sign that the male is maturing and the viability will increase in (hopefully) future spawns. I had to remove the eggs from the pair as they were fighting and not defending the spawn from their tankmates.
Congratulations!!

I found my T. asfraci fry did better with more o2 in the water. I used an air stone with good success and I fed de-encapsulated brine shrimp.

Good luck!

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Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:49 am

Great! I have a pair as well that I'm hoping will spawn again soon.
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Mon Nov 02, 2009 5:42 pm

Thanks Chaps !
Dave, I think a nice half dozen is a nicer number ! 8) .
Thanks Dan, I've upped the turnover on the wriggler tank and I'm going to add a powerhead w/venturi on the parents tank to increase flow and oxygen. The eggs may well do better if their supply of o2 is greater like it would be in their natural environment. I have de-cap brine shrimp, microworm , golden pearls, and I'm going to start the newly hatch brine shrimp too. Fingers crossed all will be well....
Norcal, did you get any fry to grow on from your previous spawns? If so, did you find the fry difficult to raise? Good luck with your next spawn....
Graham

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Dan Woodland » Mon Nov 02, 2009 7:46 pm

I've been in their habitat in Panama three times. It's crazy fast flow and ranges from very cool to upper 70's (F). It's nearly impossible to walk though some of the areas.

pH ranges from approximately 7.4 - 7.6 to low 8.2.

After seeing their habitat I changed all my tanks to higher flow rates using various sizes of circulating pumps.

Beautiful fish and habitat!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Mark Smith » Mon Nov 02, 2009 10:26 pm

Hi Dan

Do you know of anyone in the states that is selling juveniles presently??

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Dan Woodland » Tue Nov 03, 2009 8:39 am

Hi Mark,

Last I knew a friend of mine has them here in Northeast Ohio.

Mark Chaloupka, [email protected].

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Mark Smith » Tue Nov 03, 2009 9:02 am

Thanks Dan!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Matthijs » Tue Nov 03, 2009 12:29 pm

Congrats!

I am curious about what kind of dressing they are showing when having fry.

Any chance for a picture?

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Tue Nov 03, 2009 5:55 pm

I didnt have fry, only eggs in a less than ideal tank set up at the time. I now have them in a 180 with a large pair of Chuco Micropthalmus.
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Thu Nov 19, 2009 3:24 am

Matthijs wrote:Congrats!

I am curious about what kind of dressing they are showing when having fry.

Any chance for a picture?
Sorry Matthijs, I didn't get a picture of them in breeding dress, but I didn't notice much difference anyway..
Here's pics of the pair and fry....

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Thu Nov 19, 2009 6:08 pm

Exactly what my pair look like. Excellent job!
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Matthijs » Thu Nov 26, 2009 11:46 am

beauty's! :D

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by RayQ » Thu Nov 26, 2009 12:58 pm

Awesome pair, fry look just like Tuba fry :D
Ya . . . I'm from Winnipeg, so what? ;)

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Occidentalis » Sat Nov 28, 2009 2:06 pm

Dan Woodland wrote:Hi Mark,

Last I knew a friend of mine has them here in Northeast Ohio.

Mark Chaloupka, [email protected].
I picked up some from Mark per your recommendation.

Unfortunately, they all have the same lip deformity. Has he had any better luck with any newer batches?

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Sat Nov 28, 2009 4:49 pm

It may be that the fish are from an older genetic line? My friends and I bought a bunch of these with and w/o that deformity at the California ACA convention and they all wound up dying for difft reasons (not saying that will happen with yours). My pair is F1 and the group I got these out of were and are very healthy. I've lost a lot of this fish over the years but was 5 for 5 on the ones I ordered. I still have 3 (solo male/female cant tell and the pair).
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Grummie2 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 3:22 am

Here's a couple of pics of the 2 remaining fry from the spawn.

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The parents have spawned twice since, one spawn infertile, the second on the tank base so I'm leaving them to it....fingers crossed!
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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Alfon76 » Thu Jan 14, 2010 8:58 am

Thanks for the pics, beautiful fry for sure. Good luck with the new spawn.

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Re: Tomocichla asfraci

Post by Rick Thibert » Tue Mar 30, 2010 3:09 pm

Any updated pics of the fry Grum?

Any spawns imminent?

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