my mana/mota neighbourhood..

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my mana/mota neighbourhood..

Post by marcootje » Sun Dec 24, 2006 5:30 am

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Post by Dan Woodland » Sun Dec 24, 2006 10:54 am

Very nice setups and fish. Dan

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Post by Cichlidfever » Sun Dec 24, 2006 2:43 pm

Fish and aquarium looks gorgeous.
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Post by Marco Arroyo » Tue Dec 26, 2006 1:35 am

I really like the way cichlids looks with the sand, congratulations, great set up

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Nice fish

Post by Jacob » Tue Dec 26, 2006 7:53 am

What is the name of the red-spotted tetra? It is very pretty, and hopefully of the size of a Silverdollar :wink:

The motaguensis is definately a fish I must keep when my time for big aquaria comes.

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Post by k98 » Tue Dec 26, 2006 2:34 pm

nice mota pair

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Post by Cichlidfever » Wed Dec 27, 2006 7:24 am

I didn't think that you could keep a Motaguense in the same tank with a Managuense, because of them being similar species?
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Post by k98 » Wed Dec 27, 2006 11:43 pm

the mana will eventualy kill the mota

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Post by Cichlidfever » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:37 am

Marcootje, are you aware of this? How are they getting along now? They are both so pretty... What size tank is that?
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Don't jump to conclusions

Post by Killer » Thu Dec 28, 2006 9:42 pm

The mota may not necessarily be killed my a managuense. Judging by the jag pic, it looks to be female which will stay smaller and ideally less aggressive, besides the mota and the mana may pair off and form hybrids, plus with all the dither fish in there, it's hard to say. Nice setup, how big is the mota pair? Any more info you can share about your tank?
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Post by reed » Fri Dec 29, 2006 7:00 pm

k98 wrote:the mana will eventualy kill the mota
I have found the opposite to be true. In all of my tanks the motaguense have dominated the managuense whenever they have been housed together. IMO Managuense are the weakest species in the parchromis genus. Physically speaking they are inferior to all the other members of the genus including fredrichstahli and loiselli.

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Post by k98 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:06 pm

sorry but you are wrong!managuensis is the second biggest and btw the second biggest killer.a mature mana can kill easely a motaguensis or a loiselli

http://www.cichlidae.info/article.php?id=92

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Re: Don't jump to conclusions

Post by k98 » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:08 pm

Killer wrote: besides the mota and the mana may pair off and form hybrids
and you think thats cool?

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Post by Lisachromis » Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:47 pm

k98 wrote:sorry but you are wrong!managuensis is the second biggest and btw the second biggest killer.a mature mana can kill easely a motaguensis or a loiselli

http://www.cichlidae.info/article.php?id=92
You can't call the guys experiences wrong. That's what happened to him. It may not have happened that way for you. That's the beauty of this hobby; all the different experiences we have.

Also, because they can do something doesn't mean they will. How do you know they are the "second biggest killer"? I don't keep any of these fish. I'm being the devils advocate here.

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Post by marcootje » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:13 pm

thx 4 your replies.. De current mana is going to another adres.And im going to buy a managuense xiloa couple.. A little bit bigger than this couple manas. The only reason that im doing this because the mota man was flirting with my second mana female. And i dont mind a little bit agression but i really dont want a mana/mota cross.

And keeping them well together is just a tryout. Im trying to keep them together als long as it goes well.. I'm going to buy another aquarium for stand by. That when ever the may cross or when the agression gets to high i can seperate them.

the mota man is aprox. 18cm big.. en the female a bit smaller.. but they both have the temper of an 2m big fish. And i think they will stand there ground against a much bigger fish. But its just guessing. The little fishpool is 1000l. 2m bij 70cm bij 70cm. sorry but im really bad with inches and gallons.. But in the very near future im getting a 2,50 (2,80)m x 1,25x 80 (90) aquarium. and that will be there new home.

the spotted tetra's are called myleus.. rubbinis luna.. there about 20-25cm big .. big fish .. fast swimmers and crazy when eating.. but also nervous. Im thinking about looking for a better home for them. At least a bigger aquarium.
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Post by Lisachromis » Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:30 pm

marcootje wrote: The little fishpool is 1000l. 2m bij 70cm bij 70cm. sorry but im really bad with inches and gallons.. But in the very near future im getting a 2,50 (2,80)m x 1,25x 80 (90) aquarium. and that will be there new home.
2m=78.7"
70cm=27.5"

So.... 78.7 x 27.5 x 27.5/231 = 257.6 USG

280cm=110"
125cm=49"
80=31.5"
90=35"

110 x 49 x 31.5/231=735 USG
110 x 49 x 35/231=816.6 USG

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Post by k98 » Sat Dec 30, 2006 12:54 am

Lisachromis wrote:
k98 wrote:sorry but you are wrong!managuensis is the second biggest and btw the second biggest killer.a mature mana can kill easely a motaguensis or a loiselli

http://www.cichlidae.info/article.php?id=92
You can't call the guys experiences wrong. That's what happened to him. It may not have happened that way for you. That's the beauty of this hobby; all the different experiences we have.

Also, because they can do something doesn't mean they will. How do you know they are the "second biggest killer"? I don't keep any of these fish. I'm being the devils advocate here.
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Post by Bas Pels » Sat Dec 30, 2006 2:37 am

Of course you (Lisa) are right that it is almost impossible to predict how a certain fish will behave. Still it is possible to predicht how 95 out of 100 will behave, (as k98 does) but for most fishes knowledge is lacking.

I have a group of robertsoni. This species is referred to in books as very agressive, almost impossible to keep in tanks. I never had any agression among them. Was I luchy? Is this a very docile variety? Or are all the books wrong? I do know if I had asked before buying them many people would have discouraged me. I'm however very, very happy with them.

Regarding Marcootje, I know motaguensae are very, very fierce fishes, and managuensae (at least the ones availeble in Europe) are relatively little agressive. Further I also know somebody else has combiuned these two species in the Netherlands, Marcootje knows who I'm talking about (we know him from a Dutch forum)

So we just need future to tell us

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k98, calm down

Post by Killer » Mon Jan 01, 2007 3:43 pm

I would venture to say the vast majority of all managuense I've ever had are on the more docile side, even a large 15" male i had, he was quite shy! I never said hybrids are cool, actually I don't like hybrids at all, but having two varieties of cichlids in a tank increases your chances of one species pairing with another creating them.
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