Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

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Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Rob Olivier » Tue Jan 03, 2017 8:36 am

This is my first post in this nice group. :)
After thirty years I started again with the hobby, I bought a group of six young Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh" and 9 Ilyodon furcidens to distract them a bit.

Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"
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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by CA cichlid dude » Wed Jan 04, 2017 7:32 am

Welcome, very nice fish.
Pasionis are one of my favorite thorichthys. I have 6 tank raised fish (don't know which location they originate).


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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Bas Pels » Wed Jan 04, 2017 1:32 pm

Frankly, Illyodon are a bit too raareto be used as dithers. Especially with Thorichthys, which are very good predators for young lifebearers. That is, I am afraid you will never see any Illyodon fry survive. Which is a pity

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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Darrell Ullisch » Wed Jan 04, 2017 5:44 pm

Ilyodon are most assuredly not rare in the US. They are currently one of the most common Goodeids around! I couldn't give them away a couple of years ago. They are quite prolific, and the fry are too big to be eaten by most medium sized fish, not to mention too fast. I would be more concerned that they might harass a relatively easy going species like T. pasionis.
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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Bas Pels » Thu Jan 05, 2017 1:44 am

That's new to me - here in Europe they are rare. I do agree they can be prolific - I got 4 females which have given birth to 16 fry, a month ago, and it looks like 13 of these 16 will make it.

Still, Thorichthys will eat the fry. In fact, I was promised Illiyodon before, a pair with fry, but what I got was only the pair, as the Thorichthys (meeki, if I remember correctly) had eaten the fry in the 18 hours in between, of which 10 were with the lights off.

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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by CA cichlid dude » Thu Jan 05, 2017 6:44 am

Illiyodon are fairly common in the U.S. Not sure if they would harass pasionis though. Both species probably would ignore each other.
The pasionis will definitely eat the fry. Every thorichthys species I've kept with livebarers has always eaten fry.
Maybe one way to save illiyodon fry is to remove pregnant females and put them in a planted tank until they give birth. I am not sure if this will work with them, but I know it works with other livebarer species who might eat their own young.
I don't do this myself, but I know others who have.



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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Rob Olivier » Thu Jan 05, 2017 7:43 am

I think Ilyodon furcidens is a rare fish in the European market because there is little demand for it and they are relatively unknown.
I'll probably try to isolate some pregnant females in another tank later.

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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by Rob Olivier » Wed Jan 18, 2017 3:02 pm

A new macro shot.
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Re: Thorichthys pasionis "Laguna Noh"

Post by CA cichlid dude » Wed Jan 18, 2017 5:26 pm

Love the close up shot.


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