With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

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With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Sun Dec 27, 2015 10:36 am

Was curious if anyone knows about this.
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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by smitty » Sun Dec 27, 2015 4:57 pm

Are they really easing the sanctions? That would be one of many awesome fish that seem to disappear from the hobby.
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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by Bas Pels » Mon Dec 28, 2015 1:41 am

I think you refer to US sanctions agains Cuba? As far as I know, noone in Europe has ramsdeni, and we are not bothered by these sanction. In fact I know 1 or 2 people who have been already to Cuba

But ramsdeni is rather scarce. Unfortunately

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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Mon Dec 28, 2015 9:11 am

Ah, good to know. I thought maybe it was due to the embargo.
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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by smitty » Tue Dec 29, 2015 9:18 am

Bas Pels wrote:
But ramsdeni is rather scarce. Unfortunately
Why do you think such a beautiful fish and one that I would think is desired by many is so scarce.
150gal- Dovi's; 3 AC 110 P.Filters; 2 AC 110 P.Heads; Eheim 2217,2260
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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by Bas Pels » Tue Dec 29, 2015 1:53 pm

As far as I know, they are only found in the Cuban highlands.

That would imply them being sensitive towards bad water, and looking at N haitiensis, which is sensitive to rich food too, chanses are ramsdeni is that as well

Combine this with a possibilitiy of being both shy and agressive (just as haitiensis), and one ends up with a very hard to keep fish.

After all, their food needs taking care, but one does not see them so it is hard to make any feed back. Further, they may hurt each other, but again, you don't see any agression, or any result of agression, so you don't know when to invervene.

Shyness in fish is sometimes a real problem

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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by dogofwar » Wed Dec 30, 2015 9:06 am

Cichlid News article on them from 2013: http://cichlidnews.com/issues/2013jan/Xwerner.html

It's been in and out of the European hobby a couple of times, it seems. Initial excitement of something "new" tempered by the reality that it's a gray fish that takes years to develop into the big-headed pictures of adults online.

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Re: With easing of sanctions will we see Ramsdeni in the hobby?

Post by Norcal_Cichlid » Fri Jan 01, 2016 9:34 am

Cool article thanks! By buddy is in Cuba right now on vacation. Thus my interest in seeing if things have normalized to a certain extent to where we could see this fish more readily available. "Riverine" Tetracanthus look pretty cool as well!
Current stock-2 F1 Breeding pairs of Chuco Micropthalmus, F1 Theraps Lentiginosum (2 breeding pairs), Theraps Coeruleus (1 breeding pair), 7 5-8" F0 Ornatum "Rio Choco", 2 Beani "White" and about 400 Micropthalmus fry!

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