Cichlids from Israel

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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:22 am

in israel you reported 0 cichlids but there are some, not many but stil cichlids like: Tilapia zilli, Oreochromis aureus, Oreochromis niloticus, Oreochromis niloticus vulcani.
and some who are endemic to israel: Tristramella simonis, Haplochromis flaviijosephi,Nun galilaeus,Tristramella sacra,Tristramella simonis intermedia, and another cichlid that is a mutent and is rare and endemic to a big pond in isrel and protected by the authoretis.
i hope i helped a little bit :) .
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Post by Don Hiatt » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:38 am

Hi Juan,
I know you are asking for Central America species right now, but
Rickson is correct about the native cichlids of Isreal.

Many species of African tilapia are also native to this area.

The genus Tristamella is only found in Israel and Jordan.

Haplochromis flaviijosephi is now an Astatotilapia. I believe this fish is a Jordan river endemic, but I may be wrong on that one.

Iranocichla hormuzensis (Code 1982) should be added to the link to Iran.

Danakilia franchettii (Vinciguerra, 1931) from Ethiopia should be added also. There are other native, yet non endemic species found there and I will try to get you the names.

As far as CA cichlids go, I remember reading in more than one book that one of the yellow Parachromis were found in Nicaragua. If I remember correctly Don Conkel said loisellei was found there.
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Post by Don Hiatt » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:08 am

Hi Juan,
I believe the Tilapia species rickson mentioned for Israel are all native with Tristramella being endemic to that part of the world. Tristramella sacra is endemic to Lake Tiberias (Sea of Galilee). This lake is located on the Syrian border (another country I forgot to mention). Most of the info I have found in the past was either in Hebrew or Arabic and I can't remember the exact details of the other species.

On a taxonomic side note: Tristramella was formerly Parachromis!!
This has since been revised.
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Post by Juan Artigas » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:43 am

Rickson,

Isnt Oreochromis niloticus vulcani endemic tu Turkana?
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Post by Juan Artigas » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:27 am

Don and Rickson,

Done for the Cichlids from Israel, just two doubts, Nun galilaeus is not a cichlid and Astatotilapia flaviijosephi apparently is found in Syria and Jordania as well.

Thanks again! I guess we derived from Central American Cichlids, I will move further discussion on this to Asian cichlid section.
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Post by Don Hiatt » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:54 am

Hi Juan,
Rickson may have been thinking of Sarotherodon galilaeus.

http://fishbase.sinica.edu.tw/summary/S ... hp?id=1389

Here are some others:

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Species ... hp?id=6912

http://www.fishbase.org/Summary/Species ... hp?id=6911

http://filaman.ifm-geomar.de/Summary/Sp ... hp?id=6910

Good old Fishbase. lol

Here are some pictures from a site in Israel.

http://www.israquarium.co.il/Fish/Israe ... shABC.html

As you can see from this link, vulcani is listed as an Isreali fish. I can't read Hebrew, so I don't know if they list it as a native or not. I do know that galilaeus, niloticus niloticus are natives and I belive aureus is too.

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Post by Juan Artigas » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:04 pm

Thanks Don, I have created a new Asian cichlids forum and moved the related topics in the thread to this section. Now that we are in this, please let me know of other Asian cichlids that I shold allocate in their countries.
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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:11 pm

the Oreochromis niloticus vulcani was enterd to israel he isnt endemic.
and you are right the Nun galilaeus is a carp not a cichlid, my mistake.
if you want i can read from the israeli website that Nandus added and tell you what they say in there, so just let me know :)

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Post by Juan Artigas » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:14 pm

Rickson,

Yes please, I would like an accurate and complete list of cichlids for Israel, Thanks
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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:25 pm

ok so ill get to work.
by the way acording to the israeli website there is another cichlid that i didnt mentiond the Oreochromis mossambicus who was enterd to israel from africa.

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Post by Juan Artigas » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:40 pm

Thanks so much. I will include then O. mossabicus as Introduced. Is there any reference they mention for that?
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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:41 pm

Oreochromis aureus: size:18" temp:8-30c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location: can be found in lake tiberias, jordan river and some parts of asia

Oreochromis mossambicus:size:18" temp:8-35c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location: can be found in lake tiberias, jordan river origenely from africa

Oreochromis niloticus niloticus:size:28" temp:8-35c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location:lake tiberias

Oreochromis niloticus vulcani:size:12" temp:14-35c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location:introduced to israel from turky

Haplochromis flaviijosephi:size:6" temp:18-26c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location:lake tiberias, jordan river.
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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:53 pm

Sarotherodon galilaeus galilaeus:size:18" temp:16-28c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:very aggresive location:lake tiberias, jordan river also could be found on some parts of asia and africa.

Tilapia zillii:size:12" temp:7-35c ph:6-9 breeding:Substrate Spawner diet:ominvor Temperament:very aggresive location:can be found all over israel and in salt water as well

Tristramella sacra:size:11" temp:14-28c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:mostly carnivore Temperament:very aggresive location:can be found only in lake tiberias and is very rare

Tristramella simonis intermedia:size9" temp:10-28c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:mostly carnivore Temperament:very aggresive location:can be found only in lake tiberias

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Post by rickson » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:00 pm

and i think that this is the last
Tristramella simonis simonis:size:9" temp:10-28c ph:6-8 breeding:mouthbrooder diet:ominvor Temperament:aggresive location:lake tiberias, jordan river.
in the nature they live in groups in deep water around 25 meters

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Post by Paulo José Alves » Fri Mar 17, 2006 5:13 am

Hi


Does anyone have a picture of Astatotilapia flavijosephi? And of A. desfontainesi?
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Post by Juan Artigas » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:31 am

Well, I think the list for Israel is complete now. Thanks so much! Now what I need is good pictures to illustrate the species in the Cichlid Room Companion catalogue, as I noticed I dont have pictures to illustrate any of them! If you know who has someone I could ask to, please let me know.

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Post by rickson » Fri May 05, 2006 8:03 am

Paulo José Alves wrote:Hi


Does anyone have a picture of Astatotilapia flavijosephi? And of A. desfontainesi?
here is flavijosephi
http://aqua.israel.net/aquadex/config/P ... ictId=1926

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Post by Don Hiatt » Fri May 05, 2006 9:52 am

Very nice. I always wondered what that species looked like. Thanks for posting.

Rickson,
Have you ever tried to collect anything over there before? I know Juan could use some pictures. Hint, Hint..

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Post by rickson » Fri May 05, 2006 11:17 am

well this weekend i was supposed to go to lake tiberias to collect some cichlids and other fish with my brother in law but this plan was cancelled,
by the way i never tried to collect there before but when i was a small kid my father used to fish there and we would barbecue the tasty cichlids, but then i wasnt familiar with all those species.
but near my city there is a few small ponds that i collected from, but the only thing i found there is Tilapia zillii which i have in my collective tank and i raised him since he was 1" and now his about 9", also in that pond there is Gambusia affinis and Clarias gariepinus {Sharptooth Catfish}.

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Post by Bas Pels » Fri May 05, 2006 2:28 pm

This Tilapia zilli is also mentioned in the Bible - also to be eaten I'm afraid.

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