Can anyone ID Hannibal?

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Can anyone ID Hannibal?

Post by ORCA. » Sun Nov 20, 2005 2:21 am

I got this fish recently, and have been unable to get ID, I realise quite a few of you will have seen him on other forums, please do not be offended but I just thought the more people see him, the more chance of getting ID.
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Post by hootie2s » Sun Nov 20, 2005 3:13 am

Body shape looks a bit Cichlasoma-ish :roll:

Sorry cant be more helpful, nice looking fish though
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Post by Philippe Burnel » Sun Nov 20, 2005 8:39 am

could be a not much coloured Vieja melanurus

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Post by Florent » Mon Nov 21, 2005 9:13 am

or Vieja zonata :?:

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hi there

Post by Marco Arroyo » Mon Nov 21, 2005 6:16 pm

hi, indeed it looks a lot like a Paratheraps zonatus, but im not pretty sure, good luck

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Post by Kevin Cumberton » Mon Nov 21, 2005 8:11 pm

zonatus get my vote as well.

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Post by Juan Artigas » Sat Nov 26, 2005 12:02 pm

Ceirtainly, the fish is Paratheraps zonatus, the distinctive traits are; the longitudinal band complete and somewhat concave running from the caudal peduncle to the opercula, the black pigmentation under the band and the absence of such on top of it. The body is deep and the fish shows some blue green coloration on the face and a red tail.

The fish shown is rather uncolorful but that may very well be the result of a bare environment and probably other environmental factors, as well as probably a result of a short age. This fish can get very colorful given the proper conditions and enough age.

http://www.cichlidae.info/gallery/species.php?s=237

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Probably Zonatus

Post by Joe Middleton » Tue Nov 29, 2005 2:00 am

I would say zonatus as well, the ones I remember seeing back in my younger days (1988) had a lot more blue than what is shown. I remember zonatus being a blue and red fish, and that guttalatus being a longer bodied fish with a distinct "eye band" behind the eye that extends as a band to the operculum. I have yet to make it to the Pacific slope of Guatemala to find out, but maybe in time I will get there (with armed guard, too -- it is said that the place is not safe!).
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Post by ORCA. » Tue Nov 29, 2005 9:45 am

Thank you one and all, now my mind can rest. The photos were taken just after I got home with him from my LFS.

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Post by Juan Artigas » Tue Nov 29, 2005 10:37 am

Joe,

As for Paratheraps guttulatus, I recently saw some adult individuals labeled as such in Canada, at John Sabo's place. The fish complied with what I could remember of diagnostic traits for P. guttulatus, including an streamlined body shape and a somewhat reticulated facing marks.

http://www.cichlidae.info/gallery/species.php?s=233

It also had and a straight longitudinal band characteristic of the Paratheraps from Rio Grande de Chiapas. In coloration it was something I had never seen in a Paratheraps. John told me that he got his fish from Jeff Rapps. After further inquiry, Jeff told me he didnt know the origin of the fish but they were were presumibly collected by Don Conkel in Guatemala and sold to him by the same Conkel.

You can find a picture here in the Cichlid Room Companion:

http://www.cichlidae.info/gallery/picture.php?p=1327

I wonder if they are not the result of a cross bred of Chuco microphthalmus and Paratheraps synspilus :D.
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Post by Willem Heijns » Tue Nov 29, 2005 1:53 pm

my guess would be synspilus x nebulifer, judging by the longitudinal stripe and the shape of the caudal fin. but I give my guess for a better one.

wouldn't that make a nice competition: what's this C.... fish made of? :wink: :wink: :wink: :evil:
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Post by Joe Middleton » Tue Feb 28, 2006 10:16 pm

Juan Artigas wrote:Joe...

You can find a picture here in the Cichlid Room Companion:

http://www.cichlidae.info/gallery/picture.php?p=1327

I wonder if they are not the result of a cross bred of Chuco microphthalmus and Paratheraps synspilus :D.
JuanMi: just getting to this link now. It would be very interesting to see if that fish is truly guttalatus. It looks like a cross between about four or five different things. I see it as a bifasciatus/sysnpilus/nebulifer/breidhori, so would that be a bifanebudhorpilusi?

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Post by Lisachromis » Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:38 am

Gilbert_the_Guppy wrote:
Juan Artigas wrote:Joe...

You can find a picture here in the Cichlid Room Companion:

http://www.cichlidae.info/gallery/picture.php?p=1327

I wonder if they are not the result of a cross bred of Chuco microphthalmus and Paratheraps synspilus :D.
JuanMi: just getting to this link now. It would be very interesting to see if that fish is truly guttalatus. It looks like a cross between about four or five different things. I see it as a bifasciatus/sysnpilus/nebulifer/breidhori, so would that be a bifanebudhorpilusi?

:roll:
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