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Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Mr.Firemouth » Sun Jan 11, 2009 5:15 am

Hey guys,

have any of you considered the ACA CARES Program?

Here is the current list of species....







The ACA C.A.R.E.S. Preservation Program

CONSERVATION PRIORITY
SPECIES AT RISK LIST

www.cichlid.org

Claudia Dickinson
ACA C.A.R.E.S. Preservation Program Coordinator
Claudia@CARESPreservation.com

Technical Editor of Freshwater Fishes.............................................Dr. Paul V. Loiselle
Conservation Priority List Coordinator............................................Claudia Dickinson

CARES Conservation Priority List Regional Coordinators

Madagascar………………………………………………………….Dr. Paul V. Loiselle
Central America…………….…………………..…..…….…Juan Miguel Artigas Azas
Lake Victoria Region………………………….………..………………….Greg Steeves
West Africa…………………………………………………………...Dr. Anton Lamboj

Due to the detailed issues involved in accumulating and sustaining this list, such as constant additions of species, and revisions in nomenclature and classification of risk, it is a perpetual work in progress. Please refer to the most current revisions which will be made readily available to you. Together, let’s bring a positive future for these fish, and reverse the growth of this list!

A CARES note: As responsible aquarists it is essential that you familiarize yourself with foreign and US wildlife laws. The C.A.R.E.S. Preservation Program recognizes only those fishes that are within the bounds of all laws, both foreign and domestic. Species that are not available to hobbyists for regulatory reasons are not included on this list. Working together, CARES thanks you!

Current as of 7∙15∙08

 ID Species Common Name Classification Authority
C Allochromis welcommei CR (1)
C Amphilophus bussingi EN, CP (3)
C Amphilophus lyonsi CR, CP (3)
C Amphilophus rhytisma EN, CP (3)
C Archocentrus altoflavus VU, CP (3)
C Archocentrus myrnae topaz cichlid EN, CP (3)
C Archocentrus nanoluteus VU, CP (3)
C Archocentrus septemfasciatus AR, CP (3)
C Archocentrus spinosissimus AR, CP (3)
C Astatotilapia aeneocolor (2/08) VU (1)
C Astatotilapia barbarae EN (1)
C Astatotilapia brownae EN (1)
C Astatotilapia desfontainii (2/08) EN (1)
C Astatotilapia flaviijosephi VU
C Astatotilapia latifasciata zebra obliquidens CR/AR (1)(3)
C Astatotilapia piceata EN (1)
C Astatotilapia sp. ‘dwarf bigeye scraper’ CR (1)
C Astatotilapia sp. ‘shovelmouth’ EN (1)
C Astatotilapia velifer VU (1)
C Benitochromis nigrodorsalis (7/08) AR (7)
C Benitochromis ufermanni (7/08) AR (7)
C Chetia brevis orange-fringed largemouth VU (1)
C Cichlasoma istlanum AR (3)
C Copadichromis atripinnis VU (1)
C Enterochromis erythromaculatus (2/08) EN (1)
C Eretmodus cyanostictus Tanganyika clown NT (1)
C Haplochromis acidens VU (1)
C Haplochromis annectidens CR (1)
C Haplochromis cyaneus EN (1)
C Haplochromis flavus EN (1)
C Haplochromis guiarti CR (1)
C Haplochromis heusinkveldi CR (1)
C Haplochromis howesi CR (1)
C Haplochromis katavi katavi mouthbrooder VU (1)
C Haplochromis lividus EW (1)
C Haplochromis obliquidens EN (1)
C Haplochromis sp. ‘ruby’ (2/08) CR/AR (1)(3)
C Harpagochromis cavifrons (2/08) CR (1)
C Hemichromis cristatus forest jewel cichlid AR (3)
C Herichthys bartoni Barton's cichlid VU/AR (1)(3)
C Herichthys labridens (7/08) AR (3)
C Herichthys minckleyi VU (1)
C Hericythys steindachneri VU (1)
C Herichthys sp. ‘Cazones’ (2/08) VU (6)
C Hoplotilapia retrodens EW/CD (1)
C Katrias katria katria AR (1)(3)(4)
C Konia dikume dikume VU (1)
C Konia eisentrauti konye VU (1)
C Labrochromis ishmaeli EW/CD (1)
C Lethrinops macracanthus EN (1)
C Lethrinops macrophthalmus VU (1)
C Lethrinops micrentodon EN (1)
C Lethrinops microdon EN (1)
C Lethrinops oculatus VU (1)
C Lethrinops stridae EN (1)
C Limbochromis robertsi (7/08) AR (7)
C Lipochromis cryptodon (2/08) EN (1)
C Lithochromis rubripinnis CR (1)
C Lithochromis rufus CR (1)
C Lithochromis xanthopteryx CR (1)
C Macropleurodus bicolor CR (1)
C Mbipia lutea EN (1)
C Myaka myaka myaka, black clown VU (1)(3)
C Neochromis gigas VU (1)
C Neochromis greenwoodi VU (1)
C Neochromis simotes CR (1)
C Oreochromis alcalicus EN (1)
C Oreochromis amphimelas EN (1)
C Oreochromis chungruruensis CR (1)
C Oreochromis hunteri Lake Chala tilapia CR (1)
C Oreochromis jipe jipe tilapia CR (1)
C Oreochromis karomo karomo CR (1)
C Oreochromis karongae EN (1)
C Oreochromis lidole EN (1)
C Oreochromis pangani CR (1)
C Oreochromis rukwaensis Lake Rukwa tilapia EN (2/08) (1) (3)
C Oreochromis squamipinnis EN (1)
C Oreochromis variabilis VU (1) (3)
C Paralabidochromis beadlei CR (1)
C Paralabidochromis chilotes (2/08) VU (1)
C Paralabidochromis chromogynos CR (2/08) (1)
C Paralabidochromis crassilabris VU (1)
C Paralabidochromis labiatus (2/08) NT (1)
C Paralabidochromis victoriae CR (1)
C Paratilapia sp. ‘Andapa’ Andapa large spot Paratilapia EN (4)(3)
C Paratilapia sp. ‘Betsihoka’ Betsiboka small spot Paratilapia EN (4)
C Paratilapia polleni Marakely VU (1)(3)(4)
C Paratilapia sp. ‘Betsileo Highlands’ Flamanga EN (4)
C Paratilapia sp. ‘Southwest’ CR (4)(3)
C Paratilapia typus Mananara large spot Paratilapia VU (1)(3)
C Paratilapia sp. ‘East Coast small spot’ fony VU (1)(3)
C Paratilapia sp. nov. ‘Vevembe’ CR (1)
C Paretroplus damii
damba, Filaopisaka VU (4)/(3)
C Paretroplus sp. ‘Dridrimena’ Dridrimena VU (4)(3)
C Paretroplus maromandia
VU (4)(3)
C Paretroplus cf. kieneri
‘Sofia drainage’ EN (4)
C Paretroplus kieneri
Kotsovato VU (1)(4)(3)
C Paretroplus dambabe kotso EN (1)(3)(4)
C Paretroplus maculatus damba Mipentina, spotted damba CR (1)/(4)
C Paretroplus menarambo Pinstripe Damba CR/CD (1)(3)(4)
C Paretroplus nourissati lamena EN (1)(4)(3)
C Paretroplus tsimoly Tsimoly VU (4)(3)
C Paretroplus sp.
nov. ‘giant lamena’ lamenaba, Tsimolybe VU (1)(3)(4)
C Paretroplus sp.
‘Lake Amparihinandrina’ CR (4)
C Paretroplus polyactis masoavotoaka AR (1)(4)(3)
C Paretroplus sp. nov. ‘Ventitry’ Ventitry VU (1)(3)
C Platytaeniodus degeni EW (1)
C Prognathochromis argenteus (2/08) CR (1)
C Prognathochromis bayoni (2/08) CR (1)
C Prognathochromis perrieri EW/CD (1)(3)
C Psammochromis aelocephalus (2/08) VU (1)
C Ptychochromis grandidieri saroy AR (4)(3)
C Ptychochromis inornatus EN (1)(4)
C Ptychochromis oligacanthus tsipoy AR (4)(3)
C Ptychochromis loisellei garaka VU (4)(3)
C Ptychochromis insolitus joba mena CR (3)(4)
C Ptychochromis curvidens green garaka VU (4)
C Ptychochromis makira DD (1)(3)
C Ptychochromis sp. ‘Mananara’ AR (4)(3)
C Ptychochromis sp. ‘Tarantsy’ saro AR (4)(3)
C Pundamilia igneopinnis black and orange nyereri EN (1)
C Pundamilia macrocephala EN (1)
C Pundamilia nyererei NT (1)
C Pungu maclareni pungu VU (1)
C Ptychochromoides betsileanus fiapotsy CR (1)(4)
C Ptychochromoides vondrozo CR (1)(4)(3)
C Pyxichromis orthostoma EN/CD (1)
C Sarotherodon caroli VU (1)(3)
C Sarotherodon linnellii VU (1)(3)
C Sarotherodon lohbergeri VU (1)(3)
C Sarotherodon steinbachi VU (1)(3)
C Stomatepia mariae VU (1)(3)
C Stomatepia mongo VU (1)(3)
C Stomatepia pindu VU (1)(3)
C Thorichthys callolepis (2/08) VU (6)
C Tilapia ‘jewel’ VU (1)
C Tilapia ‘little black’ VU (1)
C Tilapia ‘yellow-green’ VU (1)
C Tilapia bakossiorum VU (1)
C Tilapia bemini VU (1)
C Tilapia bythobathes VU (1)
C Tilapia deckerti VU (1)
C Tilapia flava VU (1)
C Tilapia guinasana otjikoto tilapia NT (1)(3)
C Tilapia gutturosa VU (1)
C Tilapia imbriferna VU (1)
C Tilapia kottae VU (1)
C Tilapia snyderae VU (1)
C Tilapia spongotroktis VU (1)
C Tilapia thysi VU (1)
C Tristramella sacra CR (1)
C Xystichromis ‘Kyoga flameback’ CR (1)
C Xystichromis nuchisquamulatus EN (1)
C Xystichromis phytophagus NT (1)(3)
C Xystichromis sp. ‘Nawampasa red’ AR (3)
C Yssichromis laprogramma (2/08) VU (1)

Classification Abbreviations
AR = At Risk in Nature: (Dr. Paul V. Loiselle)
CD = Conservation Dependent: (i.e., the species is part of a conservation program, which, if ended, would
result in the fish being reclassified as “Threatened” within 5 years.)
CP = Conservation Priority: Species suitable for Breeder Award Programs. (Dr. Paul V. Loiselle)
CR = Critically Endangered: A species facing an extremely high risk of extinction in the wild in the
immediate future (same as “EE” used by de Rham, & Nourissat)
EN = Endangered: Species facing a very high risk of extinction in the wild in the near future. (Includes
species on the ALA list (2) shown as “Threatened.”)
EW = Extinct in the Wild: Known only to survive in cultivation, in captivity or as a naturalized population
(or populations) well outside the past range.
EX = Extinct: There is no reasonable doubt that the last individual has died.
NT = Near Threatened: Species which are close to qualifying for classification to Vulnerable.
VU = Vulnerable: A species facing a high risk of extinction in the wild in the medium term future.

Authority
(1) International Union for Conservation of Nature and Natural Resources (“IUCN”)
Red List: http://www.redlist.org/
(2) Goodeid Status by Dr. John Lyons as of January 2006
http://livebearers.org/modules.php?name ... age&pid=11
(3) Dr. Paul V. Loiselle
(4) de Rham, Patrick & Nourissat, Jean-Claude “The Endemic Cichlids of Madagascar,” Association France Cichlid
(5) CITES (Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species of Wild Fauna and Flora)
(6) Juan Miguel Artigas Azas
(7) Dr. Anton Lamboj

Refer to this list to see if a species you are keeping is conservation priority at risk, along with the current status of that species. Enter the species that you are currently maintaining on the ACA C.A.R.E.S. Preservation Program Registration Sheet along with where or from whom your specimens were obtained, and the approximate date that they were obtained. You may also use this list to search for a species that you are interested in working with in the future.
For those who would like to find out the possibilities of obtaining a species listed on the ACA C.A.R.E.S. Conservation Priority Species at Risk List, please contact Claudia at Claudia@CARESPreservation.com. If you would like assistance, or are in need of equipment to set up a tank for housing a species at risk, please do not hesitate to ask!

Thank you for your invaluable contribution towards preserving our fish for generations to come!!!

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The C.A.R.E.S. Preservation Program is about our fish, and it is about people.

We are one team, working together. Please, clear a tank ~ save a fish!
Because of you, we are making a difference!

Claudia

Claudia Dickinson
ACA CARES Preservation Program Coordinator
Claudia@CARESPresevation.com
www.cichlid.org
www.cichlid.ipbhost.com

Together, we can and we are making a difference!


If anyone is interested they can go to this link....
http://acaforum.com/index.php?showforum=50

If any of you have these fish please sign up and get involved!
Thanks, Rich
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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by dogofwar » Sun Jan 11, 2009 8:41 pm

Thanks for posting, Rich!

This is a great program...I have 9 species enrolled in ACA CARES.

Whenever I distribute fry from my CARES fish I ask the owner to register them in the program. So do; some don't. It's as easy as an email!

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Post by Mr.Firemouth » Sun Jan 11, 2009 9:38 pm

Thanks Matt! Great to see people taking an interest in a worthwhile cause!!!

Here is more...
This list is the record of fish in danger of extinction in their natural habitats.
This list is also constructed of fish that CAN be housed in home aquariums, because there are many more TankBusters that would not be appropriate for the home aquarium.

The purpose of checking the list is to see if a species is on there that you keep.
Then if there is you register with Claudia and become part of the program.
By being in the program you are part of a database that will help you and others locate these fish for further propagation.

For example:C Haplochromis lividus EW (1) has an EW designation.
This means that this fish is only alive in captivity. There are NO known wild species of the fish.
This is what makes this program so important, as many on the list are also on the verge of disappearing in the wild due to invasive game/food fish and loss of habitat.

It would be great to more people involved!
I personally keep a colony of C Archocentrus nanoluteus VU, CP (3) in a 75g. I received them from another program participant.
Thanks, Rich
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Post by Mr.Firemouth » Sun Jan 11, 2009 11:37 pm

***Special note:***

It has been brought to my attention that people who are not familiar with the American Cichlid Association may not understand that this ACA CARES Program is an ACA member funded program. This means that the program is intended to be used by members of the American Cichlid Association.

Joining the American Cichlid Association helps the ACA continue to fund Conservation Programs and to release Grant monies for research thru the Guy D Jordan fund(research) and the Paul V Loiselle Fund(conservation). You also receive 6 printed magazines of high quality of the Buntbarsche Bulletin each year. Your support to the ACA will help cichlids in their home lands and hobbyists everywhere!

For more info on joining the ACA see here....
http://www.acaforum.com/membership.html

I highly encourage folks to look into the ACA and think about joining if you keep any of these cichlids, but furthermore for the love and obsession we share for our cichlids. Your support will be greatly appreciated and i look forward to your participation in this program, the community of the ACA, and hope to you see you all at the annual convention!(held this year in Cincinnati, OH)
Thanks, Rich
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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by River » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:37 am

I wondered whether you could be member from outh other countries
ore do you only focus on the American continent?

I live in the Netherlands and would participate in your conservation program.

But I must say at once, I think, long-term preservation in a aquarium is impossible.
Simply because a species is created by its environment, and is maintained by its environment.
and you can't replace natural selection by tank selection.

but for a few generations, it is worth ;)

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Post by Bas Pels » Thu Oct 01, 2009 4:58 am

Actually, I think keeping cichlids in tanks does not have anything to do with conserving a species, as cichlids are far too adaptive

The simple fact a fish was raised in a tank, instead of grew in nature can, and will, have effects on the jawbones (snail crushers, for instance) lip thickness (many species have thick lips, which get thinner in a tank, Amphilophus labridens and Gymnogeophagus labiatus to name 2 examples) and I think many more aspects.

Still the genes of a fish will not change during its life, and so a tank raised, wild cought, fish could stil be valuable addition to its original population, after a drought or so. HOWEVER, fish are vulnerable to deseases, and therefore one should never put a tank raised fish back into nature. I've been told it is even illegal in the USA - or perhaps some US states.

But a few generations further down the breedig line, the fish wil lhave adapted to living in a tank. Startin with a group of say 10, I may consider myself lucky if I manage to breed 6 of them, and of the resulting many hundreds of fry, only some 50 % will survive the first week. Obviously, noone can keep these few hundred fishes, and thus a selection will take place - whether based on good looks, on size or, perhaps, by trying to have a more natural selection, adding a predator to the tank.

In each and every case, the ability to survive in a tank will be important, which is by definition an unnatural criterium.

Further, even a small creak, 1 meter (3 feet) across, and only 16 km (=10 miles) long will have a population of several hundreds of fishes for each species. As stated above, a dozen of fishes of 1 species is still considered a lot. OK, perhaps 10 people each with a dozen might fish might be found, but most often no more - and than people might die, or grow to dislike each other, and in a dozen years the gene pool will still deminish

So we have very small gene pools, and unnatural circumstances.

Accept the truth, we can not assit nature with our tanks, unless taken from a completely other angle

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Post by River » Thu Oct 01, 2009 6:48 am

I totally agree with you Bas, only not with the speed in whitch you suggested the species will de-generate.
An organism that 's takes over one million years (or longer) to be who he is to be can't change into
a comlete other species in abouth 12 years..In other words, a dovii will not be a Guppie in 6 generations' ;)

The genetic bottleneck you mentioned is of course a problem.
but there is nobody who would argue that this situation is a idiale one.

There is only one perfect methode, and that is preserving the natural habitat. :)

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Post by Bas Pels » Thu Oct 01, 2009 7:09 am

River wrote:An organism that 's takes over one million years (or longer) to be who he is to be can't change into
a comlete other species in abouth 12 years..In other words, a dovii will not be a Guppie in 6 generations' ;)
Nicely put :lol: , but actually, I think in 12 generations (which might take loinger than 12 years, I think 24) the dovii will have changed quite a bit

I think it will take far less time to destruct the species than it took to shape it. I´ve heard lions in a zoo have a tendence to growing shorter jaws, less brains and more fat on their bones. In fact, they are domesticating themselves. A fish is not a mammal, but I think the same kind of mechanisms will operate here

As you said, if one is interested in preserving a fish, one should preserve its habitat, just as is the case with other animals

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by River » Thu Oct 01, 2009 11:36 am

Alright, about the lions I did not know, but it seems to me very plausible.
Yet zoos are very seriously in taken their role as concervator.

There are also a few techniques to mention that can slow down this process of degeneration.
First of course ensure that the conditions (GH, PH, temp, flow etc) in the aquarium as natural as possible.
In addition, Let the parent's grow old. continue breeding with the last nest they made.
And not with brothers and sisters, but trade one of the partners with another concervator. it's a matter of accounting.
And I don't know at what level the ACA is organised (and if it's possibile) but maybe you can think of freezing sperm so you can backcrossing with wild caught :) (No.., I don't think this will work :? )

Perhaps Mr. Firemouth can tell us .what kind of techniques the A.C.A uses and how they are organised?

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Klaus Steinhaus » Thu Oct 01, 2009 3:39 pm

River wrote:There is only one perfect method, and that is preserving the natural habitat. :)
River/Bas Pels,
Nobody in his right mind will disagree with this statement. However, there is also another perspective to look at preservation. Many fish species have been wiped out in nature and only exist in the tanks of caring hobbyists. Deforestation and poisoned habitats have played havoc with our fishes and it does not appear that it will end very soon. That will result in even more species lost.

The C.A.R.E.S. program gives ALL caring fish keepers a chance to do SOMETHING. By making a tank available to maintain and breed an already endangered species, you give that species at least a chance to survive in the hobby. That is in my mind better then totally loosing it forever. Keeping these fish for an extended period (a number of years) and distributing the fry to others gives them an even better chance. You will also know who else keeps the fish you have and can add to your breeding group from another gene pool.

C.A.R.E.S. is not only about cichlids, it is about ALL endangered fish. The ACA is only a member of C.A.R.E.S. My home club is a member of C.A.R.E.S. and so are the American Livebearer Association and many others. For all the information please check out the website http://www.carespreservation.com/. You will also find a list of species that desperately need your help.

If you guys have more questions please let me know and I will try to find the correct answer for you.

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by dogofwar » Thu Oct 01, 2009 8:19 pm

While well meaning...and "something" I don't believe that the ACA CARES program represents much more than a good excuse for aquarists to keep rare and endangered fish in glass boxes in their basements.

Insomuch as the ACA CARES program helps educate and influence the general public and broader (better funded) conservation efforts to do things to actually conserve cichlid habitats that are in danger, being destroyed, or have been destroyed, I support it.

But - outside of the relatively small circle of ACA members (and the small % of members that participate in CARES) - I don't see much evidence of this.

I say this not as a cynic or a critic (I keep, I think, 10 CARES species...and breed and share many of them) but as a realist and someone who would like the ACA (and aquarists in general) to take a step back from current "conservation" and/or "preservation" activities and focus on strategies and activities that could have a measurable impact on actual, sustainable conservation of cichlids habitats.

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by illustrator » Sun Nov 08, 2009 11:45 am

To me it's not very complicated.

Of course, fish become domesticated during generations of aquarium selection. And they lose genetic variability, and they very likely aquire new diseases (from other fish). You can keep a fish species for many generations in captivity (even though it changes), but if 1 fish species is endangered, very likely many other things from the same river are equally endangered. As far as I know most aquatic invertebrates have never been bred in captivity, not even for 1 generation. So at best you preserve an inbred, domestic strain of a fish without it's ecosystem. And it's fish that most likely never can go back to nature (because their habitats no longer exist and the captive fish themselves become dangerous for surviving native fish due to the newly aquired diseases). So I kept keeping non-endangered domestic guppies for many years, and I was happy ...

But there is also the other side. Think about the amount of efford you put in keeping/breeding fish. You can spend the same efford in keeping/breeding another fish, that happens to be endangered or even extinct in naure. As long as it does not mean that there will be a big additional pressure on wild populations (because suddenly everyone wants to have the last wild-caught individuals of an endangered species - after all, that's how the Great Auk went extinct ...), what's the harm in doing so? And yes, I agree with dogofwar that inbred, halfway domesticated lineages of extinct-in-nature species are great tools for education. Also, an inbred, domesticated lineage with aquired diseases is still beter than total extinction of the same species.

I think that the biggest problem in any such program might be the short attention span of animal hobbyists (and of humans in general), after all, who has ever kept a single lineage of a species for 10, or for 20 years? And that's what such a program needs: long-term dedication. And, yes, I'd ike to join, but the C.A.R.E.S. homepages does not tell how a single hobbyist from oversees can join, without becoming member of yet another organisation. I am interested in captive breeding, but at this point not in joining the ACA. See also my post in the other C.A.R.E.S. topic.

Of course we have to be carefull that captive breeding programms don't distract from in-situ conservation, but my feeling is that the opposite happens: through a rare fish in someones home-aquarium, all neighbours and friends hear about the problems in nature. So once again: education tools on a small (and sometimes not so small) scale. Remember also that there are very few ZOO's and public aquariums that can afford to have more than a few aquaria for endangered fish. For some fish it's very simple: if you want to see them alive in a couple of (aquarium-) generations, you're dependent on hobbyists. You can see it in a very selfish way: maintain fish for your own hobby. Still beter than keeping generaton after generation of wild-caught fish of other species ... I dare to say that keeping an endangered fish species (if captive bred!) might have less impact in nature than buying wild-caught non-endangered fish from the LFS!

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Klaus Steinhaus » Sun Nov 08, 2009 4:46 pm

Paul, you don't have to be a member of the ACA to participate in CARES. CARES is not part of the ACA, the ACA is part of CARES.
Check out the CARES website at http://www.carespreservation.com

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by illustrator » Fri Nov 13, 2009 3:37 pm

can someone tell if there is any connection between C.A.R.E.S. and the Austrian program: http://www.austria-aqua.net/Content-pa- ... pid-9.html

It looks to me like both are doing pretty much the same ...

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Klaus Steinhaus » Fri Nov 13, 2009 4:19 pm

Not quite Paul. Anton wants to keep track of ALL the species being kept in our tanks. That is a much bigger undertaking. He would like all hobbyists to sign up and keep records off their fish on his database. This will eventually end up to a huge database keeping track of species kept in captivity.
CARES only asks hobbyists to provide tank space for any of the species in the provided endangered species list. Important is the time frame you make room for these fish. Keeping them until they breed once and then loose interest is not the point, keeping them over a number of years is whats needed. Exchanging stock to keep the gene pool as clean as possible and distributing the fry to others that are interested.

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by illustrator » Sun Nov 15, 2009 12:15 pm

I tried to contact mrs Dickinson, but my mail bounced back with a very complex computer generated message. I believe that it tried to tell that my mail was forewarded (I mailed to the e-mail address that is all over the CARES page) and that the second mail address has a spamfilter which rejects messages that are forewarded by the first mail-address.

If I understand it correct a spamfilter disables the use of the mail address from the CARES-homepage in some complex way. Is there another way to contact the people behind teh CARES program? (Maybe easiest to contact Juan Migel? )

--- and another thought about IUCN/CARES. I think that I understand why CARES come with an own list/classification rather than to take over the one from IUCN. This way it is possible to much more quickly update the list than through the IUCN. Maybe an alternative way would be to anyway use the IUCN list/classification, but add notes:

Like species A; classified EW (IUCN); note: according to (reference) a small population persists in nature.

In this way there is only a single classification (from the IUCN) , but the possibility remains to add updated information. Even more: it becomes a simple checklist wich even the IUCN can use to update their classifications!

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Lisachromis » Sun Nov 15, 2009 10:29 pm

pm me for Claudia's email.

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Post by illustrator » Mon Nov 16, 2009 3:45 am

I got through in some way ... :D

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by illustrator » Mon Nov 30, 2009 11:29 am

Dear all,

I wonder about two species in the CARES list, neither of which is a cichlid. Maybe there are parallel cases with cichlids, but I don't know the species well enough to tell. these species are:

white cloud minnow, Tanichthys albonubes (one of the most numerous fish in general aquarium trade)

redtail shark, Epalzeorhynchus bicolor (reasonable common in general aquarium trade but extremely difficult to breed for most hobbyists)

I have no doupt that both are very endangered in the wild, but for both I wonder what the real contribution to aquarium-conservation is when a hobbyist decides to dedicate an aquarium to these fish. I have the feeling that some (many) other species should have a much higher priority. (p.s. sure: both species are very attractive fish to keep, but that's not the point I try to make)

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Re: Cichlid Conservation thru ACA CARES Program

Post by Mr.Firemouth » Sun Dec 13, 2009 7:18 pm

I think there is some confusion between C.A.R.E.S. and ACA C.A.R.E.S.
The ACA CARES program is specific to cichlids and is specific to ACA members earning recognition for keeping species on the list. Albeit a small program compared to the thousands of cichlid keepers out there it is an attempt at those who care making a difference.

The CARES program encompasses all fish that are in danger and is much broader program.
The CARES Home Page http://www.carespreservation.com/ explains more of what Claudia's vision is.

IMO, CARES ACA is a great way for ACA members to encourage each other to captive breed fish in peril. It may not "Impact" true conservation, but it does help to be a vehicle to educate members about the fish that are threatened through the Species Priority List. The Latest Updated Priority List can be found here....
http://www.cichlid.org/index.php?pageid ... on_program

The only way a program like this gets bigger and gets more attention is if more people get involved!
You can post questions here for more info or help with the ACA and the program....
http://www.cichlid.org/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=17

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