Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

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Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Sat Mar 21, 2009 10:54 am

Some of them were bought, some of them were caught, stay tuned for the entire collecting trip in the south american forum, i wont dissapoint you all!!!
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Apistogramma paucisquamis, collected on the rio negro by hudson ;)
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Apistogramma sp. collected on a fishing trip, same as number 4
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Apistogramma sp. abacaxi, attacked on all sides.
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Apistogramma sp. collected by the author on the rio negro.
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Laetecara, could it be fulvipinnis?
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A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:13 am

Some odds and ends
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Unidentified fish from the rio negro that i collected.
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Taeniacara candidi collected on the rio negro by the author.
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Apistogramma agassizii female?
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Gibbiceps collected near boa vista brazil
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Apistogramma bitaeniata, dominant male. these things are mean!!!
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Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Sat Mar 21, 2009 11:42 am

The last of them...
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One of my most aggressive apistos, what is it?
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Apistogramma sp.
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Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Mike Wise » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:54 am

These are my guesses:
1. Yes. A. paucisquamis male
2. True(?) A. pertensis male
3. A. sp. Abacaxis (not collected in the Rio Negro?)
4. A. (cf.?) pertensis
5. Yes. L. fulvipinnis

6. A. paucisquamis(?) female(?)
7. Yes. T. candidi
8. Yes, probably A. agassizii female
9. Yes. A. gibbiceps
10. Yes. A. bitaeniata

11. Regani-complex species - possibly A. regani, but more likely A. geisleri. Did you collect this in the Negro?
12. True(?) A. pertensis

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Thu Mar 26, 2009 3:53 pm

Thank you once again mike wise.
I have two differant species that you identified as Ap. pertensis. One (the most recent one) has much longer, pointed fins while the other has very short fins. also when one flares up the tail apears to have vertical red bands while the other, it just gets black edging on the fins. If it means anything, they were collected in very differant places.
Here is THE SAME SPECIES as the one i posted on this thread, before (sorry for the terrible pic) .
As you can see there is a lot of blue in this one.
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Yes this is the same sp. as number 2, 4, 12. only this is straight from the water and an alpha male (yes i know it is hard to believe)
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A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Mike Wise » Mon Mar 30, 2009 10:16 am

Actually I identified fish as 2 different species: A. pertensis and A. cf. pertensis. Notice that I added "(?)" with each fish. These 2 species can be hard to separate. The true (holotype) A. pertensis are more slender, with a more cylindrical shape (round cross-section); males have a higher dorsal fin, too. A. cf. pertensis are slightly more deep-bodied, with a less cylindrical shape (oval cross-section); males have a high dorsal fin, but not as high as the true A. pertensis. Identification from photos are very difficult for these species.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Tue Mar 31, 2009 2:51 pm

Mike Wise wrote:Actually I identified fish as 2 different species: A. pertensis and A. cf. pertensis. Notice that I added "(?)" with each fish. These 2 species can be hard to separate. The true (holotype) A. pertensis are more slender, with a more cylindrical shape (round cross-section); males have a higher dorsal fin, too. A. cf. pertensis are slightly more deep-bodied, with a less cylindrical shape (oval cross-section); males have a high dorsal fin, but not as high as the true A. pertensis. Identification from photos are very difficult for these species.
Number 2 4 and 12 are actually all the same fish (i really need to improve my photography skills) i was talking about fish in former threads that you labled as pertensis.
As to the cf. and true pertensis I did not realize that they are differant species, my bad.
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Ther is a fish uin the thread above that you identified as cf. pertensis, i highly doubt that that fish is the same as the one in this thread.
Thank you very much again for your willingness to share with noobs like me, you have tought me SO much.
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Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Mon Apr 06, 2009 8:36 pm

New pics, sorry, they really are bad but at least you can see the fish right?
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PERTENSIS? #1
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A. pertensis or A. .cf pertensis #2
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A. pertensis or A cf pertensis #3
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Please ID!!! yes i know one of the worst pictures ever taken by me.
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Yeah i dont have the DSLR anymore so its back to point and shoots!!! A paucisquamis.
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Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by pk333 » Tue Apr 07, 2009 7:12 am

looks like they could do with some feeding them up...

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Tue Apr 07, 2009 8:51 am

pk333 wrote:looks like they could do with some feeding them up...
Yes unfortunately i cant get live foods easily here and if they refuse the dry I dont know what i can do! i will have to go get some worms however (in the back yard). unfortunately i hav a bunch of pigs in the top layer that wont let anything down to the fish who need it!!! :(
Please visit my cichlid blog at passionate4pikes.wordpress.com
Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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Re: Please help, newly collected APISTOS and Laetecara ID

Post by Hudson Ensz » Sat Apr 11, 2009 12:21 pm

He is my skinniest apisto, as he refuses everything except mosquito larvae!!! once i gave him a live, inch long earthworm, super thin and he rejected, it i cut it in half but it still wriggled so much he would not touch it, i am now raising mosquito larvae for hima and everyday about 6 of size is given too him, he doesnt pass those up!!!
He is in a hospital tank with a taenicara (the taeniacara is healing after a bout with fin rot) and all the larvae i get goes to them.
Please visit my cichlid blog at passionate4pikes.wordpress.com
Tanks, 16gal, 8gal, 35gal, 200gal pond, T. candidi hospital tank 1 gal.
A. sp. abacaxi, A. agassizii, A. gibbiceps (2 strains), A. pertensis(?), A. pacisquamis, A. sp, A. hippolytae.

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