Lake Fwa cichlids

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Lake Fwa cichlids

Post by Thomas Andersen » Thu Apr 27, 2006 4:34 pm

Are there anyone that are familiar with these cichlids, particularly Schwetzochromis neodon and Cyclopharynx fwae? After seeing them in Lamboj´s book I´ve been quite interested in them, an interest that grow even bigger today as I found an article on Lake Fwa in an old "Buntbarsch Jahrbuch" (the German cichlid yearbook- sadly it´s not, like the Cichlids Yearbook, published anymore)

Any info would be greatly appreciated!

http://burnel.club.fr/Photos/Schwetzoch ... eodon.html

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Post by Dave Schumacher » Fri Apr 28, 2006 10:10 am

I've been on the lookout for both species for quite some time with no luck. I am fascinated by all the fish I have seen from Lake Fwa.
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Post by Thomas Andersen » Fri Apr 28, 2006 11:25 am

Yes, they are all fascinating! I´ve been looking for them in Europe for the past year or so, with no luck. Apparently Thoracochromis brauschi are available, and I´m hoping to get my hands on some

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Post by Thomas Andersen » Fri Apr 28, 2006 4:18 pm

I didn´t seen your post on Schwetzochromis neodon, Dave - sorry :wink: http://www.cichlidae.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=426

Any news on S. neodon in France, Philippe?

Apparently both Schwetzochromis neodon and Cyclopharynx fwae were bred in Sweden in the mid 1990´s. I´ll try and contact the guy who bred them and see if he is aware of some strains that are still being kept

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Post by Mark Smith » Fri Apr 28, 2006 7:07 pm

Hi Thomas

Perhaps you can help me with the identification of the photo of the Thoracochromis in this thread. In Roberts and Kullander's paper, Endemic cichlid fishes of the Fwa River, Zaire: systematics and ecology, in Ichthyological Explorations of Freshwaters, volume 5, no. 2, it gives the descriptions of Thoracochromis brauschi and T. callichromus. It appears to me that the fish in the photo, and for that matter, all those specimens currently in captivity identified as T. brauschi, seem to look more like T. callichromus. T. callichromus appears to have a more elongated snout than does T. brauschi in the Roberts and Kullander paper. The specimens in captivity, in all honesty, appear half way between the two species.

Any thoughts on this???

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Post by Thomas Andersen » Sat Apr 29, 2006 3:11 am

Hi Mark,

interesting point! I don´t have the original publication, so I can´t compare it with the pictures. The pictures in the above mentioned article by Peter Schupke (some of them appear in Lamboj´s book), show some quite distinct differences in coloration between Thoracochromis brauschi and T. callichromus. T. brauschi looks identical to the above picture with a red throat and a broad black band in the dorsal, while T. callichromus has yellow around the gill cover and throat and also on the belly and are missing the black band in the dorsal. Does the original paper mention anything on coloration of the two species?
It appears to me that the fish in the photo, and for that matter, all those specimens currently in captivity identified as T. brauschi, seem to look more like T. callichromus. T. callichromus appears to have a more elongated snout than does T. brauschi in the Roberts and Kullander paper
In one of Schupke´s pictures of both species taken immediatly after capture, it actually looks like the fish identified as T. brauschi has a more elongated head and snout than T. callichromus - so have these two species been reversed by Schupke and other hobbyist??

If you are interested, and Dave as well, I can scan the Schupke article and send it to you

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Post by Mark Smith » Sat Apr 29, 2006 8:56 am

Thomas

That would be great. I would like to see his photos of both species. Did you want to post them here, or to my personal e-mail address?

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Post by Mark Smith » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:08 am

You are right, Thomas on the included photo being T. brauschi. I get the impression that from many generations of captive reproduction, the snout of T. brauschi has become a little more elongated than that of wild specimens. The preserved specimen in Roberts and Kullander's paper show a fish with a distinctively more blunt snout than what we see in captive populations. I'm not completely sure as to why that is, though.

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Post by Thomas Andersen » Sat Apr 29, 2006 12:58 pm

Mark, I´ll scan the paper tomorrow, just send me a PM with your email :)

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Post by Philippe Burnel » Sat Apr 29, 2006 1:52 pm

here is a paper I have written a long time ago for the journal of the French Cichlid Association.

http://burnel.club.fr/Thoracochromis_brauschi.htm

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Post by Greg Steeves » Sat Apr 29, 2006 9:43 pm

Hi all

The above photo was taken by Spencer Jack in our tank of young T. brauschi. This individual was just beginning to get the beautiful color from whence the common name of "blood throat" is derived. I've noticed that with adult individuals the pointed snout is more distinct (this developes as the fish ages). I'm not sure if this aids or hinders the ongoning conversation but thought I would chirp in.

Does anyone have photo's of T. callichromus?

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Post by Thomas Andersen » Wed May 03, 2006 1:38 am

Interesting article Philippe, thanks :)

Gas, if you PM me your email I can send you the article, it contains good pictures of all Lake Fwa cichlids. Even if it´s an old article it´s still protected by copyright, so I better avoid posting pictures from it here.

By the way, I´ve been in contact with Peter Schupke who visited and collected in the area in the 1990´s, he doubts that there´s any left in Germany today.

I´ve also been in contact with the Swedish breeder who bred both S. neodon and C. fwae in the mid 1990´s. He also doubts that there is any left in Scandinavia, but as he owns a rather big fishstore today, he would see what he could do and try and track some down - so I haven´t given up entirely, even if the chances looks very small :wink: :lol:

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Post by tjudy » Mon May 08, 2006 9:16 am

I managed to obtain a group of T. brauschi this weekend. Greg Steeve's article on the species on his web site states that the spawns are predominantly male in hard, alkaline water. Does anyone have any information on the water chemistry of the Lake Fwa region where the fish come from?

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Post by Thomas Andersen » Mon May 08, 2006 1:09 pm

Here are the measurements from the Schupke paper:

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Post by Christophe de Medeiros » Tue May 16, 2006 2:25 am

hi We have a group of Schwetzochromis neodon but no spawns yet, we also have T.Braushi with youngs but we never heard about Cyclopharynx fwae presence in France, is it still alive and bred in the Europan or US hobby? the only picture I saw was from an old cichlid revue(TFH) I think and this was a long time ago.
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Post by Thomas Andersen » Wed May 17, 2006 11:19 am

We have a group of Schwetzochromis neodon
That´s great news :D Please make some fry and get them distributed :)

Unfortuneatly I think Cyclopharynx fwae has been lost to the hobby, a great shame as it looks like a stunning and interesting fish

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Post by Christophe de Medeiros » Thu May 18, 2006 2:42 am

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As soon as we'll have fry I will let you know.
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Post by Michael.NEGRINI » Thu May 18, 2006 4:42 am

Hi all,

I also hope to see this fish in my aquariums again, I've kept and bred this species during 3 years. It's a fantastic cichlid. Chris I hope yours will do like this soon :wink: :
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Post by Thomas Andersen » Thu May 18, 2006 5:28 am

Very nice, Michael :D Can you tell a bit about keeping them? Is it an aggressive species, tank setup, tankmates etc?

Chris: That´s a deal! I don´t mind going to France to pick them up, you have quite a few species in France I like to get my hands on :P

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Post by Christophe de Medeiros » Thu May 18, 2006 5:37 am

Hi
You're welcome at any moment you'll plan to come
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