Australoheros gen. nov. for the chanchitos

[michi tobler]

http://www.pecescriollos.de/go/australoheros-facetus

Nandus, thanks for bringing up this website. It's in fact an excellent reference for the fish of Argentinia. Maybe you could put a link to this webpage to the Argentinia site in the catalogue, Juan? I'm shure it would be helpful;o)

Cheers, M

[Juan Artigas]

Thanks Michi it is in fact a pretty good idea. However the code was not written with this in mind but I will see how it can be fited. I can include a link per country but that is more to link to a page with information about the country, like the CIA country profiles.

[PecesCriollos]

Hi Juan, Michi and all others,

I was just reading your interesting discussion about Australoheros, Cryptoheros and my page.

As a matter of fact there can't be any discussion about Crytopheros being a part of Australoheros as Oldrich and Sven clearly name it for the facetum group and limit the distribution of the included species to the La Plata basin and coastal rivers in southern Brazil, Uruguay and Argentina.

Juan: it would be great if you could set a link to http://www.pecescriollos.de but please do not mix it with CIA informations. I dont want to be arrested when arriving to BsAs next time.

cu
Stefan

[PecesCriollos]

me again

Juan, I have just checked your cichlid catalogue for Argentina and you might want to change some things:

1. Apistogramma trifasciata is missing for Argentina

2. You changed to Australoheros but not the sex of the species.
Australoheros is masc. so its now facetus and scitulus. tembe stays the same. Both in thge country list and the species record of scitulus authors know should be in (brackets)

3. Authors of G. che are Casciotta, Gómez & Toresani (not Toresanni) not only Jorge.
The species is endemic to Argentina as far as I know

4. Crenicichla minuano and tendybassu are missing for Argentina

5. Australoheros tembe is endemic to Argentina as far as I know. In the species record Uruguay has to be changed to Urugua-í. The latter is an affluent of middle Paraná and has no connection to the first one.
Last author is Toresani not Toresanni.

Any questions about Argentina...anytime you want

The rest is perfect
Ciao
Stefan

[Mark Smith]

Hi Stefan

That would be tendybaguassu, not tenybassu.

Mark

[Juan Artigas]

Thanks Stefan,

I appreciate your corrections. They have been undertaken now.

All the best

[Ariel Puentes]

A. trifasciata hasn’t been published yet for Argentina, but Jorge Casciotta thinks that this species is present, in fact I collected this specimen ( http://www.cichlidae.com/gallery/picture.php?p=477 ) in the Pilcomayo River.

This fish has been being exported from Argentina for several years

Ariel

[Juan Artigas]

Thanks Ariel,

Apistogramma trifasciata is, as you and Stefan suggested, listed for Argentina in the Cichlid Room Companion.

[Grange]

Hi!

Australoheros — good idea and good name!

but...

Cryptoheros now recognized even by Kullander

I think we must wait when Cryptoheros will appear in FishBase. To be fully confident…

[Juan Artigas]

I think we must wait when Cryptoheros will appear in FishBase. To be fully confident

I am afraid Fishbase is far to be a place to feel confident so far. I try to make this page (The Cichlid Room Companion) as accurate as I can, based in the fact I specialize in cichlids, of course it also has a way to go, but I work hard on it. Next month the Cichlid Room Companion will be ten years online.

I must add that I precipitated a bit, as Australoheros paper has NOT been published so far, but it is in the process, it was acepted for publication on September 23, 2005. The paper makes not mention (as others) that is in in press.

[Grange]

Juan, your Cichlid Room Companion is the best!

[Don Hiatt]

I agree 100 %.

[Grange]

Let's talk about undescribed species of this genus.

In addition to the three described species of Australoheros, our results of species delimitation based on a combination of tree- and character-based approaches identify seven putatively new species of Australoheros.

Australoheros cf. scitulus “Norteño”
Australoheros cf. scitulus “Red Cuaró”
Australoheros cf. scitulus “Santa Lucia”
Australoheros sp. “Cuareim”
Australoheros sp. “Tacuarembo“ [Litz T., Salvia H., Stawikowsk R. "Cichlasoma" sp. "Tacuarembó - ein weiterer "Chanchito" aus Uruguay.]
Australoheros sp. “Local”

http://www.aqvaterra.com/cichlids_facetum.php
http://www.aqvaterra.com/cichlids_scitu ... ?idioma=EN

[Bas Pels]

I do not think so

A few of the varieties you mention were discovered / described ater Kullander wrote the publication.

Therefore, the 7 species must enclose other species. Besides, all the varieties you mentioned are Uruguayan, and the area where Australoheros is found, is much larger (perhaps even reaching Paraguay)

I know Kullander has visited Uruguay himself, perhals he will again, and we will hear how he feels about these varieties/species in due time

Bas

[Grange]

Rican & Kullander list:
Australoheros cf. facetus, A. sp. "Forquilha", A. sp. "Jacui", A. sp. "Jacutinga", A. sp. "Paraguay", A. sp. "Pirapo", A. sp. "Uruguai".

And did anybody ever saw Cichlasoma tembe alive? May be one of these undescribed species in fact is A. tembe?

[Paulo José Alves]

Hi


I´m I missing something or Oblongum should also be part of this list? Is it a synonim? Isn´t it that species which male becomes almost intirely yellow in the upper part of the body?

[Grange]

And old topic with nice photos
http://www.cichlidae.info/phpBB2/viewto ... e008eb258e

[PecesCriollos]

I did bring tembe from the type locality to Germany.
Some of the fishes were preserved and Jorge Casciotta and Sven did identify them as such. So Sven saw this fishes and we can be sure that tembe is not included in the 7 undescribed.

[Grange]

Were they realy big lips like Amphilophus labiatus?

[PecesCriollos]

Not really big, just a little bit more pronounced than in facetus or scitulus.
For me that is quiet a weak character as it seems to show only in adult males.