The Cichlid Room Companion

by **kizzo** » Mon Dec 17, 2007 5:43 pm

Hello,

Some pictures from my tank...

Zoli

by **James Shingler** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 5:21 pm

Very, very nice photos. Peaceful tangs? How are you keeping them so well?

by **PsYcHoTiC_MaDmAn** » Sat Jan 26, 2008 6:58 pm

interesting how much gap there is in the development of the fry there, IE some freeswimming with minimal if any yolksack, and some barely with a tail

I take it you stripped them.

nice pics though

by **Dan Woodland** » Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:02 am

Great pictures.

by **kizzo** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 1:07 pm

James!

Yes, they are quite peaceful, but the brienis are more agressive than pavos. Pavos and Bathyphilus' are very shy. They are in a 450 litre acquarium. I feed them with frozen cyclops, artemia and aquatic nature.

The fry is of two female, they are not the same age. I made a big mistake wth it, the older ones later bit the youngers' yolksack, which finally killed them. Do not ever try to put together fry with yolksack.

Zoli

by **cyatide** » Thu Mar 13, 2008 4:34 pm

Hi Kizzo,

congratulation, you are keeping very interesting species

Have you got them in Germany?

I would be interested to see how is now the Kekese pavo.
Is it in full colour at the moment?

Thanks, paolo

by **kizzo** » Fri Mar 14, 2008 2:52 pm

Hi Paolo,

Thanks a lot!

I also have now some Ectodus Descampsii yellow, but they are only one cm. I gave P. brieni fry for them. They are from an Italian guy, Francesco who lives in Hungary.

The pavos look the same now, because the Paracyprichromis' are very agressive. I separated them just today, so I look forward to their changing...

Yes, they are from Germany, Stadl. http://www.cichliden-stadl.de/index1.html

Zoli

by **kizzo** » Tue Mar 18, 2008 3:39 pm

Hi everybody,

That's how my C. Pavo Kekese males look like. It looks beautiful when they pose to each other.

Enjoy!

Zoli

by **kizzo** » Sun Jun 08, 2008 1:08 pm

Hi there,

Here are pictures of a C. pavo Kekese male after mating. Now I have a holding female.

Bye,

Zoli

by **Bennyvis** » Sun Sep 07, 2008 8:58 am

Very nice cyp's !

by **kizzo** » Mon Sep 29, 2008 4:38 pm

Hi everyone,

I made some more pictures of my fish and there is a new species. I bought 9 Xenotilapia flavipinnis Kekese juveniles from a friend of mine. They are only 4 cm, but beautiful.

Bye,

Zoli

by **kizzo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 6:40 am

Hi!

Some of my new acquisitions...

by **sidguppy** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 10:58 am

beautiful pictures!!

but I think that the Cyprichromis should be called Cyprichromis sp Jumbo "Speckleback Moba", because it's definitely a Jumbo type, not a leptosoma type.

by **kizzo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 12:44 pm

Hi Sidguppy,

I didn't think they were jumbo, because they are not that big and robust as jumbos and where I bought them ( http://www.cichliden-stadl.de/index1.html ) they were written as leptosoma. I'm not sure.

Zoli

by **James Shingler** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 3:13 pm

Yep not sure myself.
What would make it a Jumbo type?

by **kizzo** » Sat Jan 03, 2009 5:16 pm

I'm not sure, but first of all, my last kept jumbos were 5 (2m/3F) C. j. Fulwe. They were about 14-15 cm-s. These adult ones are 10-12. Another thing is set-up. Jumbos are "fat", thick. Leptosomas are longish and thin. I think these are the main differences.

These are not my best photos, but some females of the jumbo Fulwe Cyprichromis' I kept. You can see that their vertical "length" is bigger correlating to leptosoma. What do you think? Others?

by **sidguppy** » Mon Jan 05, 2009 6:33 am

the difference between the sp 'Jumbo' and the leptosoma is not just size or body proportions.

the best way to see if a certain Cyprichromis (not pavo, zonatus or microlepidotus) is either a Jumbo or a regular leptosoma is to breed it

if the fry has a black and white dorsal fin: jumbo type

if it has yellow dorsal fin: leptosoma

There are no leptosoma with black fins. some do have small black spots or a small black stripe in the dorsal (the Isanga male for example), but the largest part of the dorsal is either white or a lightblue color, often with yellow parts.

many Jumbo type males have a black dorsal with a white edge or a dark dorsal with a black and white band.

females of the true leptosoma have yellowish fins, whereas jumbo females are light brown.
Jumbo females have 2 darker brown spots in the caudal, one in each lobe. the leptosoma female lacks these.

Jumbo females often have a black or dark or black and white band on the edge of the dorsal. leptosoma females lack these.

but the best way to see if it's a Jumbo Cyp or a leptosoma Cyp is the fry.
with fry there's no doubt.
this is also one of the best clues that we're dealing with 2 real species living all mixed up instead of a lot of variety in 1 species.
if you find 2 different types of similar but different fry in 1 location, you can be pretty sure you're dealing with 2 species of closely related fish living sympatric together.
but

by **Michael Andersen** » Wed Mar 25, 2009 5:49 am

Hi, here is some pics of my C. Leptosoma Jumbo "speckleback Moba" as they call them in Germany - or "saddleback" as Laif De Mason called them.
They are actually caught in Mtoto - not Moba!as African Diving named them.

Enjoy: