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is it the same fish

Postby mnjason » Tue Dec 23, 2008 6:49 pm

Astatotilapia burtoni and Haplochromis sp. burtoni burundi are they the same fish?I was told that they were different but then after i spawned them was told they were the same fish.The burtoni burundi come from Tanganyika i was told so whats right and whats wrong?
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Re: is it the same fish

Postby mapyru » Tue Dec 23, 2008 7:18 pm

All Burtoni are endemic from tanganyika lake, it is a fish of the swamp zone of the lake , it can also be found in the river lake basin Rusizi/Ruzizi, Malagarazi, Ifume, Mutambala ... but clearly it doesn't exist in Victoria lake!
Apparently also collected in others lake see :
http://www.africancichlids.net/articles/astatotilapia_burtoni/
Two forms exist a blue and a yellow
Name Astatotilapia burtoni and Haplochromis sp. burtoni are synonyms

in France / Belgium
we have this fish
Haplochromis cf. burtoni "Cathy" Bujumbura (in blue or yellow), this should be the same as the burundi morph

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Re: is it the same fish

Postby mnjason » Tue Dec 23, 2008 9:54 pm

thank you very nice read
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Re: is it the same fish

Postby KevinB » Wed Dec 24, 2008 10:50 am

This is the A. burtoni I had years ago:
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Yellow in a sub-dominant mood

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The dominant male turned blue. This is the exact same fish in two different moods.

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Re: is it the same fish

Postby Endymion » Fri Dec 26, 2008 7:02 pm

According to fishbase you can find burtoni in Lake Kivu and Tangayika but I don't know if it is correct.

http://www.fishbase.se/Summary/speciesS ... me=burtoni
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Re: is it the same fish

Postby Rico Morgenstern » Sat Dec 27, 2008 5:57 am

Endymion wrote:According to fishbase you can find burtoni in Lake Kivu and Tangayika but I don't know if it is correct.


A. burtoni does not occur in Lake Kivu. All alleged records from this lake are based on misidentifications of endemic Lake Kivu haplochromines.
The natural range of A. burtoni is in all probability restricted to the Lake Tanganyika basin including only the lower reaches of inflowing rivers. The populations known from Rwandan Lakes, which belong to the Akagera drainage, are possibly introduced (De Vos, Snoeks & Thys van den Audenaerde 2001 "An annotated checklist of the fishes of Rwanda [East central Africa], with historical data on introductions of comercially important species" Journal of East African Natural History 90; pp. 41-68).
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