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Fish ID please

Postby tezr » Sun Sep 21, 2008 5:11 am

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby patrickeriksson » Sun Sep 21, 2008 1:13 pm

Hi,

It looks like Xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flameback" AKA Haplochromis sp. "all red" from Lake Kyoga/Nawampasa.
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby tezr » Sun Sep 21, 2008 4:56 pm

Thanks for the reply. What are the characteristics that set this species apart from others?
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Endymion » Sun Sep 21, 2008 6:24 pm

I think it more looks like "red back scraper" BUT "red back scraper" don't have the green colour. All red/Kyoga flamebck should have black dots on the side, but no stripes as this one has.
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby patrickeriksson » Sun Sep 21, 2008 9:52 pm

Endymion, my fish also have some really faint stripes but it does not always show. On these spawning pics you can see them. It's hard to see when you look at the fish in the tank but becomes more visible on picture. If I remember correctly the stripes were more obvious before the fish started to get color.

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Mack Emmons » Mon Sep 22, 2008 12:57 am

It may be Haplochromis sp. 'Ruby green', very pretty fish.
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby patrickeriksson » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:10 am

renegade545 wrote:It may be Haplochromis sp. 'Ruby green', very pretty fish.


This is a Haplochromis sp. "Ruby green", young male.

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Endymion » Mon Sep 22, 2008 5:56 am

All red/kyoga flameback don't have any red colour in the analfin.

If the fish is from Europe the might be a hybrid sold from Czech republic as Hap. sp."yellow belly"
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby mapyru » Mon Sep 22, 2008 1:43 pm

Exactly same opinion as Endymion. In a petshop in Belgium I saw a tank Aeneocolor with this kind of fishes!(more like pundamilia)
I will post a picture of a similar fish seen on a french forum , that was also sell as Aeneocolor!

See you soon,
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby tydus » Mon Sep 22, 2008 3:43 pm

What do you mean there are supposed to be no red on the anal fin?

http://www.cichlidforum.com/articles/x_ ... meback.php

It says here "Xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flameback" has an elongated, laterally compressed "haplochromine" body shape. The cranial profile is straight or slightly convex with large eyes and a medium sized mouth. There is a broken and thickened mid lateral black bar running the length of the body from the caudal peduncle to the gill plate. In regards to male coloration, the top portion of the body, including the head is scarlet red. The lips and lower portion of the head is blue. The bottom portions of the flanks are lime-green and yellow. The dorsal fin is red foremost fading to blue at the rear while the caudal fin has blue streaks at the base flowing to completely red at the extremities. The anal fin is white-blue becoming red at the outer portion. The pelvic fins are jet-black. There is a straight black bar beginning at the corner of the lips and continuing through the eye." This is from Greg Steeve's article.
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Endymion » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:26 pm

tydus wrote:What do you mean there are supposed to be no red on the anal fin?

http://www.cichlidforum.com/articles/x_ ... meback.php

It says here "Xystichromis sp. "Kyoga flameback" has an elongated, laterally compressed "haplochromine" body shape. The cranial profile is straight or slightly convex with large eyes and a medium sized mouth. There is a broken and thickened mid lateral black bar running the length of the body from the caudal peduncle to the gill plate. In regards to male coloration, the top portion of the body, including the head is scarlet red. The lips and lower portion of the head is blue. The bottom portions of the flanks are lime-green and yellow. The dorsal fin is red foremost fading to blue at the rear while the caudal fin has blue streaks at the base flowing to completely red at the extremities. The anal fin is white-blue becoming red at the outer portion. The pelvic fins are jet-black. There is a straight black bar beginning at the corner of the lips and continuing through the eye." This is from Greg Steeve's article.


I can see that the text says that it has a red edge in the anal fin, but I can only find one picture that has a red edge i the anal fin. And that fish don't look like a "all red"/"kyoga flameback"

This male is approximately 14 cm/5.5 inch and don't have any red in the analfin. http://www.ciklid.org/artregister/artre ... hp?ID=1849
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby tydus » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:42 pm

Sorry, but I am not able to view the picture, because I am not logged in. Can you post the picture directly?
By the way, those are my fish tezr posted to ID. :D
Not all fish are made the same and some may slightly have different characterisics apart from eachother. My fish seem to fit the all the descriptions that Greg has stated in his article.

Now Tezr, I know you have seen this, but I would like to know the other guys' opinion. :)

Ok so, here are my pics

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Here are a guy's kyogA flamebacks. Feel free to compare them.

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby mapyru » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:54 pm

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby mapyru » Mon Sep 22, 2008 4:59 pm

Endymion your link doesn't work!!
We need to enter a login/pass
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Lisachromis » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:31 pm

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Re: Fish ID please

Postby tydus » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:22 pm

The pictures who I am using to compare to my pics are from this site.

http://www.african-cichlid.com/allred.htm

The owner is very knowledgeable about Victorians, so I took his pics to compare to mine's just to see what you people thought.
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby mapyru » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:40 am

Here a site to compare both the Edward and the Kyoga all red

http://www.africancichlidfanatic.org/lake_victoria.htm
Seems clear that the kyoga anal fin is white , except a tiny little pink tinge on the forefront (see first Kyoga picture), perhaps some kind of polymorphis linked to the age of the specimen
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby Endymion » Tue Sep 23, 2008 8:09 am

mapyru wrote:Here a site to compare both the Edward and the Kyoga all red

http://www.africancichlidfanatic.org/lake_victoria.htm
Seems clear that the kyoga anal fin is white , except a tiny little pink tinge on the forefront (see first Kyoga picture), perhaps some kind of polymorphis linked to the age of the specimen


If you look at this link "all red Kyoga" have no red in the analfin and "all red Edward" has red in the analfin. But when you look at all the pictures I think it is obvious that it is two species and possibly hybrids between them. But which one is from Kyoga and Edward I don't know.

I have also edited the link ...
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby taeniopareius » Tue Sep 23, 2008 1:36 pm

Hope it is not refined version of this:

http://www.cichlidae.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=8&t=3083
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Re: Fish ID please

Postby mapyru » Tue Sep 23, 2008 2:52 pm

then come back to the fish identification!

Here a sample of a fish sold as Aeneocolor in Europe possibly from czech republic
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