Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

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Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby Colby Dixon » Wed Jul 29, 2009 9:24 pm

Hey folks,

The Cichlidbase project needs your help! While Alex Calder is working on version 3.0 (Blog) we are attempting to positively ID and validate suspected ID's of many of our Cichlid photographs. Juan has graciously agreed to let us use this Forum's Expertise in verifying our photos. Any and all help is appreciated. All photos by Alex Calder.

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This one was labeled as a male Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be"

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Re: Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby Philippe Burnel » Thu Jul 30, 2009 12:30 am

probably
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Re: Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby Colby Dixon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 2:39 pm

Philippe Burnel wrote:probably


What makes you uncertain, or only able to say "probably"?

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Re: Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby sidguppy » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:04 pm

hehe

the problem is this:
Ptychochromis oligacanthus has many varieties.
some occur on the island of Nosy Be, some on the mainland of Madagascar

however, even the "Nosy Be" is not a single variety, but this island has several small lakes.
and each and every lake has a different variety of the P oligacanthus!

the best known and most often bred is from the lake Bempazava. this one is also known as "Red Fin Nosy Be" or "oligacanthus Red Fin"
in full it would be the jawbreaking "Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be Lake Bempazava".

I don't think your fish is from Lake Bempazava, however. those have pinkish fins and a lot of dark on the body. females are often very dark. old males have elongated fins, but most often still a dark vertical band on the sides.

other varieties of Ptychochromis oligacanthus include Lake Ampombilava, also on Nosy Be island, this one has a very typical dark band on the gill cover.

the golden sheen on the side is odd. I've seen a fair number of adult Bempazava and I've never seen any with that amount of gold sheen onm the scales.
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Re: Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby Colby Dixon » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:19 pm

Extremely informative Sid! Thank you :) The extra "gold sheen" may be flash reflection...
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Re: Ptychochromis oligacanthus "Nosy Be" ID confirmation

Postby Alex Calder » Thu Jul 30, 2009 3:23 pm

Colby is correct the gold sheen is indeed from the flash. As hard as I try sometimes I miss the mark. These were all taken at a fish shop so further access to the fish is difficult to impossible,. I can contact the owner and possibly get the source, however I was hoping to knock some of the overall questions down to avoid insulting the individual and/or importer.
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