Sharpfish wrote:Your wanting to research these fish is a great first step. The one point not mentioned is you can start them out in a smaller tank like a 55, as long as the fish are only a few inches long (3" at most). The tank would need to be have plenty of hiding places. This won't last long bigger tanks would need to be ready for them as they grow and get closer to spawning age and size. I think Sids assessment of the varying species is pretty spot on. I have dealt with Jose on a few occasions he is very knowledgable and has good fish stock.
sidguppy wrote:wow, great job!
Paretroplus maculatus is one of the most beautiful cichlids around and their behaviour, their way of grouping, the way they dig the sand....nothing short of stunning!
they are THE CENTERPIECE in my tank.
once you get bitten by the Damba Bug; there ain't no cure.....
they are indeed hardy, undemanding, eat about ANYthing you feed them and they're very easy on the waterparameters.
as long as you have a group, yes it can be done.
any idea how many youngsters you get?
8 or more would be best.
the huge agression will not be there for some time; they grow slowly and as juvies they're quite peaceful. it's when they pass 6-7" and start to breed when they get nastier.
even then I found their agression quite manageble, but then I've got a group as well....
they're like mild Tropheus, but without the bloat issue!
the one thing wich is required with Mada's is warmth.
they don't like cold water at all, so keep the tank warm at all costs. I've heard some horror stories about Mada's getting the cold, then the itch, then the mass death
fortunately they can cope with a LOT of salt, right up to where you can label the tank as a marine tank...
finally, don 't think about using live plants for deco, cause a Paretroplus is like a tiny horse and you can quote me on that 1
polleni wrote:Six Pe maculatus will do fine, no problem with tanks between 125 - 150 gallons.
Pe menarambo get large, much larger than their cousins, you can't keep 6 of them in this kind of tank. A 2.5 (8 foot we believe) tank is the least you can use to house 6 adults in. We have got 5 adults (6 years old) and the smaller one is 32 cm TL (the larger one is around the 40 cm mark - TL). Moreover, they can get nasty to each other. The shape of the fish given I would say that the length of the tank is the critical factor.
Pe damii will grow slower but they do grow in the end. And they are massive fish - considerably more deep bodied than the maculatus or the menarambo. Good news is that they can breed quite close to each other as long as they don't see their "opponent" - large bogwood will work fine, when you look at the tank from the top, you can see pairs guarding eggs at the opposite sides of the same piece.
Snails? For Pe maculatus and Pe menarambo this is their favorite food. What you have heard is true, it doesn't matter how many snails you throw in the tank. They will keep on searching the whole day till they are sure none is left.
Pe dambabe love them, too. We grow some in Manchester and they are fed snails every other day.
If you decide to feed them snails (strongly advised to do so) throw the snails in the middle of the tank so the fish can get them and they don't get a chance to get in your filter. They can easily clog any filter or - still worse - block the impeller.
For Pe damii and Pe nourissati this doesn't stand true. They will eat it if nothing else is on offer but they will not rush to it. Sometimes you can see the snail moving and the fish not even paying attention to them.
George & Marina
polleni wrote:You are lucky, in this respect. Concerning Malagacy cichlids I can see three "generations" of hobbyists. First came the ones who introduced them in the hobby: the late Jean-Claude Nourissat, Patrick de Rham, Paul Loiselle, Oliver Lucanus, Laif Demason.. (possibly a few more). They didn't just introduced them but they bred them, too, in large ponds or tanks. Then came the second "generation" who managed to keep them in tanks and find out what they need to breed and raise their fry (something like fine tuning the process) like Sonia Guinane, Dave Tourle, Tom Williams, Georg Albering, M. Figueredo, M. Zapater, Alex Saunders, Michael Nigrini and, may I add, myself (among others - my memory doesn't help lately). Last, came the third "generation" of hobbyists (like Jose - who is a very dedicated hobbyist indeed) who give the fish what they really want - which is large homes (huge aquaria or ponds) and next to perfect husbandry. All in all, my feeling is that we have come to a point where breeding most of the Malagasy cichlids is no more a secret. The whole keeping and breeding process is quite similar to breeding large central American cichlids with some differences when it comes to raising the fry. Admittedly, there are factors which play a different role in Malagasy cichlids (temperature for instance seems to play a key role for triggering Paretroplines to breed) but all those issues have been addressed to a great extend. What we really need now is more and more dedicated hobbyists keeping these species in their tanks, especially since their future in their natural habitat seems dire, to say the least.
Just my opinion of course.
The advice being given is to not add plants, as they will be shredded and eaten. Does this appy to hearty species such as Anubius as well?
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