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by **sic_4_vics** » Fri Jan 26, 2007 2:56 am

just need an expert eye here. Is this a nubila? True? The dorsal shows a little irredescent blue and has red at the rear of dorsal normally. Is that his female? True?

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by **sic_4_vics** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:26 am

found out on another forum

by **Philippe Burnel** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 1:32 am

which answer did you get ?

by **sic_4_vics** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 12:54 pm

reply was ... it was a nublius

by **Philippe Burnel** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:31 pm

not sure at all !

by **sic_4_vics** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 4:49 pm

just like to get verification on vics for breeding purposes.

by **retro_gk** » Sat Jan 27, 2007 7:36 pm

This is what I have as A. nubila

Website · by **Lisachromis** » Sun Jan 28, 2007 1:53 pm

sic_4_vics wrote:found out on another forum

May I ask where you were told that? Just curious as not everyone that answers questions like this actually know what they are talking about. Personally, I have no idea for sure on your fish, but I do like to make sure of ID's from people I know that know for sure, or at least have dealt with the species for a very long time.

by **Greg Steeves** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:14 am

In a discussion with Dr. Kaufman a couple years ago, He explained to me that the cichlid going around in the American hobby as A. nubila is not the same fish as Greenwood eximined (an original Boulenger description). The fish that retro_gk posted is likely the fish we have been calling A. nubila but as Philippe stated, it might not be Astatotilapia nubila at all.

by **sic_4_vics** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 1:33 am

it was on cichlid-forum.

And a Samaki is the one who responded. I always respect his opinions on id's as he seems to know the vics very well.

In a discussion with Dr. Kaufman a couple years ago, He explained to me that the cichlid going around in the American hobby as A. nubila is not the same fish as Greenwood eximined (an original Boulenger description). The fish that retro_gk posted is likely the fish we have been calling A. nubila but as Philippe stated, it might not be Astatotilapia nubila at all.

It is funny you should say that as in my search I thought I found a species of Xystichromis that looked similar to the nublius. I cant remember where that was though. I wouldnt even know if it was misidentified as a Xystichromis or not. Is there such a species?

by **Philippe Burnel** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 3:09 am

Lippitsch, E. 2003. Redescription of 'Haplochromis' nubilus (Teleostei: Cichlidae), with description of two new species. Ichthyological Exploration of Freshwaters, 14: 85-95.

by **dogofwar** » Mon Jan 29, 2007 12:28 pm

My "Astatotilapia nubila" are just like retro's...

Mine started breeding at 1" / 3-4 months post-release...

by **Dave Schumacher** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 12:09 pm

The blue in the dorsal fin makes me think Haplochromis sp. "Fine Bar Scraper".

by **sic_4_vics** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 2:24 pm

ds1196 wrote:The blue in the dorsal fin makes me think Haplochromis sp. "Fine Bar Scraper".

Dave,
after looking at the profile on C-F, i believe you may be right. that pic also shows the slight blue sheen in body and on dorsal fin as well.

so i will go with this. Thank you.

Anyone else disagree with this id?

by **Greg Steeves** » Tue Jan 30, 2007 7:13 pm

I don't believe these are Hap sp."fine bar scrapers". I think the photos posted previously are the fish we have been refering to as A. nubila wihich may or may not actually be that species. Wouldn't it be nice to have Elizabeth elaborate here?

by **sic_4_vics** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 2:29 am

Who's Elizabeth?

ok and now im getting a little confused again..

If i can get another good picture i will post it up so maybe another look could help bring a true identity. I dont think its a hybrid...as i believe its just a matter of a very good picture to tell the tale.

by **Greg Steeves** » Wed Jan 31, 2007 7:40 am

Elizabeth Lippitsch is the Ichtyologist that Philippe refrenced. She has done a lot of work with cichlids of this region.

by **Dave Schumacher** » Thu Feb 01, 2007 1:42 pm

Go with Greg's thoughts on this one. I haven't seen fine bar scrapers in person other than as fry. Greg has a colony of them though. That being the case, he'd certainly know better than I do!

I've ordered nubila on several occasions, and I've seen 2 distinctly different fish come in under this name. One was a smaller species (3-4"), the other came in over 6" :!:

which certainly doesn't fit the profile. Unfortunately, Victorians are very difficult to identify, no matter how good the photo may be.

by **sic_4_vics** » Sun Feb 04, 2007 3:45 am

a couple new pics to maybe help out:

females

male

by **Prophet7** » Fri Mar 21, 2008 11:35 am

I know this is an older thread now, but I just recently was sold a fish, that while it looked different when I bought it, looks more and more like this fish every day.
The thing is, it was sold to me as a Xystichromis Phytophagus, and now I do not believe for a moment that it is a Xystichromis Phytophagus 'Christmas Fulu'.

Did anyone ever positively identify this fish, is it a nubila? And can anyone point me in the right direction to get some information on ways to positively identify a Phytophagus in the future.

Thanks.

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