Gymno id?

[taeniopareius]

These gymnos were imported as Gymnogeophagus setequedas. Look rather thick and wide compared to other gymnogenys-like gymnos. It seems similar to the quite recent Paraguay species and some Argentinian species. Anyone has any idea what they are?

Their eyes are not cloudy but the poor light makes poor pic...

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[Felipe Cantera]

Absolutly not G.setequedas!
G.setequedas belongs to the "rhabdotus" group.
When you say "imported"...do you where from?

[EC]

Anyone has any idea whet the are?

It looks like a paraguayan: G. caaguazuensis.

Ciao Enrico

[Marko Lenac]

Anyone has any idea whet the are?

It looks like a paraguayan: G. caaguazuensis.

Ciao Enrico

I agree

[Ken Davis]

This is setequedas

[taeniopareius]

Thanks. I think it is close to, if not the same as, caaguazuensis or sp. "Arroyo Fortaleza". IIRC it was referred to as cf. australis as well... Btw they are imported from Germany. Anyway they seem to stay smaller than other of gymnogenys group

[Felipe Cantera]

No, they are not G.australis either....do you know if they come from Paraguay or Argentina??

[Bas Pels]

Naming Gymnogeophagus can be a total mess. Once I got fish, approx 3 cm or 1 inch, which were supposed to be G australis

Later they turned out to be biparental substrate breeding, so much more closely related to G meriodonalis / rhabdotus

With small fish one can try this trick, but I think (hope ) I would not fall for it again

[taeniopareius]

IIRC they were referred to as cf. australis before the real australis show up . They seemed to be avaliable from time to time for a long time. The male is around 8 cm with silght hump along the line of gymnogenys and smaller females are mouthbrooders. Like others in gymnogenys group there are yellow and non-yellow ones. This time they become avaliable together with various southern pike cichlids in recent times, so I guess either northern Argentina or souther Brazil? Are ornamental fishes exported from Paraguay too?

[Felipe Cantera]

I vote for Argentina...maybe Ariel Puentes can help you?

[Ariel Puentes]

It could be one of the species of province of Misiones, it looks like one of Fortaleza stream




Ariel

[taeniopareius]

Thanks. I wonder is it possible that caaguazuensis and sp. "Arroyo Fortaleza" are the same fish or not. Btw generally is the exportation of Argentina ornamental fishes mainly restricted to the province of Misiones? There seem to be a very nice gymno that looks like australis with coloration upgrade coming out under many different name lately.

[Felipe Cantera]

hmmmm....I think they look very diff.

[Ariel Puentes]

They are not the same species, G. caaguazuensis is from Paraguay basin and the other from Uruguay basin

Ariel

[Felipe Cantera]

Misunderstanding!!, I know they are diff. species....what I mean is that Ariel's photo show a diff. sp. than Taeniopareius first pics.

[taeniopareius]

Some cichlids such as Gymnogeophagus balzani are found in both Paraguay and Uruguay drainages. What is the size of Fortaleza fish in the picture?

[Ariel Puentes]

Taeniopareius, you are right, some others too, like G. australis, G. meridionalis, A. facetus, C. dimerus, etc, etc. All of them have a wide distribution. In the case of a G.fortaleza, it is an endemic species of fortaleza stream and to this day was not found in other sections of the same basin, so it is inprobable that it be the same species.

The size of G. fortaleza is similar than G. australis.

Pipo, you are probably right, to be sure i would like to see any picture not burned by de flash

Ariel

[Felipe Cantera]

Ariel, what I mean is;
1) The photo of your fish (fortaleza) seems to be similar to all the species from Arapey, Dayman, cf.australis,etc,etc
2) Taeniopareius looks more as cf.gymnogenys
Even if both belongs to the same Group.-

[taeniopareius]

Additional pics of F1: