Rio Mosanito Mexico??

[Lee Nuttall]

Where is this river system, i read fish are collected from there, but i cannot find a map reference anywhere?? Doe anyone have a map reference or coordinates? I'm guessing it's part or near the Coatzacoalcos basin Pacicfic side?

Thanks,

Lee.

[dogofwar]

Found this in a previous thread:

"I spoke to Don <Conkel>, and he confirmed retrieving guttulatus from both Rio Mosanito (of late) and Rio Sarabia (earlier). Both those rivers are Pacific drainages, as opposed to hartwegi, which he has only collected from Atlantic drainages. I might have asked that but was provided the information without prompt. Finally, he mentioned he had discussed a guttulatus specimen as a "very probable" distinct species (or words to roughly that affect?) with the late Dr. Robert R. Miller."

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With all of the F-1s on the market he must have collected there recently...

Matt

[Lee Nuttall]

I know where Rio Sarabia is, but according to map data Rio Mosanito dosen't exist!! There are no coordinates to pinpoint it. I would like to see a map reference if possible as there is no definate answers in the thread you gave a link to, only hear say! An actual map reference would be better as i could pinpoint it myself.

As to F1 fish, i can't really say, but after speaking to Don face to face recently, he hasn't visited Mexico in a while.

I don't want to get into the whole guttulatus debate, as i believe the fish offered and kept in aquarium circles are probably sp. 'coatzacoalcos populations or zonatus. If anyone has collected and keeping the type locality fish, then i'm interested. Looking at where Rio Sarabia is located seems pretty obvious to me.

Paratheraps guttulatus is a loosley described mystery that won't be explained anytime soon i'm afraid!

Lee.

[smitty]

Lee I love how you go after the facts. That really stops a lot of hearsay.

[dogofwar]

I also looked on Google Earth and Google and couldn't located "Mosnito" or any of the possible mis-spellings...

Matt

I know where Rio Sarabia is, but according to map data Rio Mosanito dosen't exist!! There are no coordinates to pinpoint it. I would like to see a map reference if possible as there is no definate answers in the thread you gave a link to, only hear say! An actual map reference would be better as i could pinpoint it myself.

As to F1 fish, i can't really say, but after speaking to Don face to face recently, he hasn't visited Mexico in a while.

I don't want to get into the whole guttulatus debate, as i believe the fish offered and kept in aquarium circles are probably sp. 'coatzacoalcos populations or zonatus. If anyone has collected and keeping the type locality fish, then i'm interested. Looking at where Rio Sarabia is located seems pretty obvious to me.

Paratheraps guttulatus is a loosley described mystery that won't be explained anytime soon i'm afraid!

Lee.

[cavanaugh]

Female

Breeding Female

Breeding Pair

Rio Mosanito guttulatum breeding pair and females both in and out of breeding dress.

I have a couple breeding pairs and a few extra females of this strain. It would be nice to
see the collection site on a map as well. Hopefully someone will chime in.

This strain is no where near as aggressive as some Hartwegi, Fenestratum and other "Cobalt Blue"
cousins in the genus.

[Lee Nuttall]

I'm assuming then it's a made up river in the Coatzacoalcos region?

Nice fish cavanaugh, but in honesty i don't see much difference between these and sp. 'coatzacoalcos/zonatus populations, infact they look very similar to Rio Ajal and other populations when spawning in the aquarium!!

If Rio Mosanito doesn't exist and isn't the collection point, then Rio Sarabia is the only other collection point linked to so-called Aquarium populations. Pinpointing Rio Sarabia will almost certainly tell us these are at least sp. coatzacoalcos or zonatus populations?

[Bas Pels]

I would not mind if my fish from Don Conkel sold als guttulatum would grow out to look like these

[dogofwar]

Any news on the location of "Rio Mosanito"?

[fgfranco]

Hi Lee I'm Francisco (CiclidMex) from www.ciclidos-mexico.com

Reading all the posts I wondering if it's possible that the name has been a misunderstood and it doesn't is Mosanito but Manzanita, this river does exist although it's not very close from Río Sarabia but is in the same area.

Here some information about Río Manzanita:

Satelital photography

Municipio Santa María Peñoles

[Lee Nuttall]

Hi Fransico, long time no see.

Thanks very much, looks likely that this is most probably the location. Yet again another spelling mistake of river systems abit like many refering Rio carolino as "Carolina".

Frustrating when your not completely familiar with the geographical locations of Mexico, I'm glad someone could help out with this simple mistake.

All the Best,

Lee.

[dogofwar]

Seems logical enough...

Matt

[cavanaugh]

Seems right, but before we go around renaming fish locations to fit into google searches someone should contact the man who collected the strain.
I'll try, but I never get replies.