Cyathothopharynx Foai and Furcifer Variant Information

[Clayn]

Does anyone know the location of a Foai/ Furcifer variant map? I have looked online for pics or descriptions of the fish listed below with very little luck.

I have a chance to acquire a few different Foai and Furcifer variants but haven't had much luck finding pictures or descriptions of these geographical variants. The fish in question are Foai Kapampa and Ndole and Furcifer Chituta, Kabogo and Ndole. I would greatly appreciate any pictures or descriptions that can be provided.

[Clayn]

Just so you don't think that I am lazy and not looking for this info myself.

I have found pics of Furcifer Mbita here: http://www.forumaquario.com.br/portal/i ... cifer-.jpg

I have found pics of Furcifer Isanga here: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl= ... n%26sa%3DG

Chituta lies between Mbita Island and Isanga so I think that it is safe to assume the Chituta variant is similar to the linked variants.

Is responding to your own post the equivalent of talking to yourself?

[Clayn]

I also found this article complete with pictures on Furcifer Kabogo: http://www.ask.com/bar?q=Cyathopharynx+ ... bogo2.html

[chris murphy]

Are Furcifer Kigoma a bona fide variant?

[Clayn]

Are Furcifer Kigoma a bona fide variant?

Yes I believe that they are.

[Thomas Andersen]

Hi Clay, long time no see

The fish in question are Foai Kapampa and Ndole and Furcifer Chituta, Kabogo and Ndole. I would greatly appreciate any pictures or descriptions that can be provided.

Chituta lies between Mbita Island and Isanga so I think that it is safe to assume the Chituta variant is similar to the linked variants.

Yes, the southern C. furcifer are very much the same. Here are some photos of Kantalamba east of Chituta and Kasakalawe west of Chituta (from this thread: viewtopic.php?f=23&t=2287)

Cyathopharynx furcifer "Kantalamba"



Cyathopharynx furcifer "Kasakalawe"



You can find a photo of a C. foai from Cape Kachese in Konings 1998 book (page 189), and a photos of C. furcifer here: http://www.suephoto.com/index.php/galeria/index/5/319 - Kachese is just east of Ndole Bay.

I can´t find any photos of foai Kapampa, but Konings (1998) depicts one from Kanoni, and my guess is that they are pretty close.

Thomas

[tanganyikanhunt]

I don't think I would be quick to assume that a foai from Kapampa would be similar to one from Kanoni. I base my disagreement on the treatise on O. Ventralis by Genevelle/Buscher found here:

http://translate.google.com/translate?h ... f%26sa%3DN

In a survey of 150 km they found nine different variants of O. Ventralis.

I am wondering if somewhere there isn't a map of foai/furcifer variants such as the one you previously pointed out to me for eretmodus, Thomas?

This surely leaves a lot of area open for speculation doesn't it?

Tony

[Thomas Andersen]

Tony,

I don't think you can really compare Ophthalmotilapia and Cyathopharynx in this respect, as the different populations of Cyathopharynx seems to be much more stable over a wider geographical range, while Ophthalmotilapia ventralis seems to more or less differ from one rocky coast to another. The C. foai from Mtoto, Kanoni and Tembwe II looks quite alike, so I don't think it's unreasonable to assume that the C. foai at Kapampa is similar, being under 25 kilometers from Tembwe II. But, who knows? Maybe we should persuade Clay to invest in a Kapampa group so we can find out

PS. The site with the great distribution maps (www.cichlides.com) is regretfully closed, as the owners did not want to run it anymore.

Thomas

[tanganyikanhunt]

Hi Thomas,

You read my mind (or email) in regards to Clay's possibly getting his hands on some of those fish.

It is a shame that the 'cichlides' site wasn't copied to someone else's site. There was so much valuable information there.

As I mentioned to Clay, and my memory may not be correct, but I seem to remember a foai, I thought from that area being yellow in color not blue. But sometimes when one files away trivia it gets twisted.

Tony

[Clayn]

I found this link with a pic of Foai Kapampa: http://cichlidnews.com/issues/2009apr/whatsnew.html

Thanks Thomas and Tony for your replies!

[Clayn]

I will have to say the Furcifer Kabogo is at the top of the list. A friend of mine had them a couple years ago and shot this video: http://www.youtube.com/user/kipiliblue0 ... bmUXbX-4zA

The video is well worth the time spent watching it. Actually I find myself watching it a couple times a day.

I would have to say second out of those would be the Furcifer from the Southern end of the lake. The yellow head, bright green body and blue finnage is very nice. Neither of these is common in the states.

I have Foai Kafyoka which is similar to Foai Kapampa if the photo I found is correct. Don't get me wrong as I would love to get my hands on a yellow Foai. I also have the green Foai with the yellow cheek from the Southern most part of the lake. Tony I believe that you mentioned the correct location on another thread for the fish exported as Foai Mbita Green.

[johnathan]

Cyathothopharynx Foai Sibwesa - dominant male:






johnathan.

[bigdaddy0306]

I have 1m2f of chyathothopharynx sibwesa foai fish but my male is no where like this one in color he has a slight shimmer of blue to him he is around 4 inches in length I have them in a 55 gallon tank and am trying to breed them my temp is 82 and the ph is 8.6 nitrite, nitrate and ammona is zero or next to it. is there something I may be doing wrong, they have only a couple stem plants and two small caves for the females to hide in.The male has made his breeding hole but still no color, mind you I did only get them 2-3 weeks ago I am thinking that is why he hasn't colored up but not sure could some one help me out. I am new to this cichlid room so any help would be great. I have looked around for info but am having no luke

[noddy]

bigdaddy, I believe your tank is way to small. Your females should not need to hide in caves.

[bigdaddy0306]

My females don't need to hide I was told to put in a cave or two so they had places to hide they actually don't use them they are there just in case. I was also told the 55 gallon was acceptable but a 75 would be better

[tanganyikanhunt]

With foai, at a minimum, you need a 5 foot long tank. That gives females a bare mimimum to escape a male pursuing a female too ardently.

Oh, and this is what a CF Sibwesa is supposed to look like:



and this:

[Clayn]

I am stopping by for my annual featherfin question.

Tony....The purplish Foai that you had from the southern end of the lake is from what location? I remember us talking about that fish once and I recall you telling me that fish was from Mbita/Mbete Island and that the green Foai with the yellow chin that everyone here refers to as Mbita was actually collected at Sumbu. I am getting old and don't trust my memory so your clarification would be greatly appreciated.

I am currently working with Furcifer Ruziba and Kigoma, Foai Karilani, Mboko and Kafyoka with the possibility of adding a new one (if its the right fish).

Clay

[cyatide]

To my knowlodge even the green variants of foae of the South-Western side of the lake sports yellowish cheeks.

Look at this Ndole male

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The Mbita variant has more intense yellow gill covers and its body is more purple than green.

I am currently working with Furcifer Ruziba and Kigoma, Foai Karilani, Mboko and Kafyoka with the possibility of adding a new one (if its the right fish).

Clay

You have a wonderful collection of cyathos, my favourite cichlid too!
I'd love to see pics of them all.


Regards,
Paolo Salvagiani

[Clayn]

Thank You Paolo!

A pic a friend of mine took of my Foai Karilani.

[Clayn]

A pic of my Foai Mboko another friend of mine took.