Tropheus Musanga

[Peter]

Has done great pictures of Tropheus Musanga.












I hope, yoe can see the picture on the HP.

Sorry for my bad english

Greatings
Peter

[Thomas Andersen]

Wow, they are beautiful Peter. They seem to be a lot more yellow than the variants from Nkonde and Linangu

All the best, Thomas

[Peter]

This is yellow huge. With the Linangu it goes more in quite bright yellow and with the Nkonde it is yellow a little more darkly this. Unfortunately, we do not get him, however, too often from Africa. Unfortunately, not so many exist from this population.

Greating Peter

[James Shingler]

Peter I pressed your www. thingy. Was extreemly impressed. Where exactly is this place? Do you realy give full info on exactly which breeder the G1s from wild come from and exclude all stripped young? I think I may be switching deelers/breeders I get mine from and make an extra long European treck.

[Peter]

I would like to say nothing about the precise catch place. I can say only so much that he lies in Zambia between Katoto and Nkamba Bay. This fish is not caught so often.

[James Shingler]

I ment the shop. The place I can get hold of them.
I love the way you try and give exact location the fish are from in the lake.
Your profile does not give your adress and my forighn language is not good enough to get it from your website.
Thanks James

[Ken Boorman]

Click on the link on the left of Peter's home page which reads Impressum. That gives contact information.
Hope that helps,
Ken

[James Shingler]

Got it thanks Ken. Now to find it on a map or rout planner to see see how far across Europe I would have to go..

[Tangfreak]

That´s nothing else than nkonde - linangu.

Here is somebody that try to make advertising for his rubbish business.
New name, some selected fish with total yellow back fins and a high price.

Who is that guy ?

[James Shingler]

I take offence at the last remark. I still have to still to check Peter out fully but from all I have heard this is a real good guy just making a buisness out of what he loves.

[Tangfreak]

@james shingler

and from where did you got your informations ?

it was luck to came to that forum and when i red that tread of that guy my face turned into red, because i know him very well, i´m from Germany too.
these tread was written only to make advertising for his bloody business he is doing.

you can believe me, in 2 years nobody knows about him anymore, he is an air bubble that will break soon. he is no importer, gets his fish from an other real importer here and tells a lot of lies.

i saw the tropheus musanga and there are fish with more and less red in the back fin, to show only fish with yellow back fins, they are selected. location is the same as nkonde - linangu
spoke with Peter Schuppke, autor of the Tropheus book, and these guy should have enough experience.

so long

[Dhonti]

Hi Tanfreak,

Also has Peter Schupke said that is possible that it can be a new colorform from an area which has never been explored and that he has missed a few spots in Zambia to explore.
He never actually said what you say, he just said it is possible that....
This means he doesn't know if this is the fact.

Please if you quote someone do it accurate and not just the parts which come in handy to make your statement. If you know me, you know I can read German too and also know Peter Schupke.

Cheers Gijs.

[Peter]

Hello of people,

here see their which envy constituting can. This would like gladly importer from Bad Nauheim is probably well-known us. If someone by this chap should be troubled, let me please know. Nothing for bad.

Greeting Peter

[Lisachromis]

That´s nothing else than nkonde - linangu.

Here is somebody that try to make advertising for his rubbish business.
New name, some selected fish with total yellow back fins and a high price.

Who is that guy ?

Please see the post here for the rules about comments on businesses in this forum.

http://www.cichlidae.info/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=543

[Tangfreak]

Hallo Peter,

deinen Mist kannst du dir hier sparen und deine Drohungen erst recht, das was du in Deutschland abziehst wird dir hier nichts nützen.

translation :

stop treading, what you are doing in Germany don´t care here

@Lisachromis

i don´t care if you don´t wish to know the truth, but these dealer in Germany has a bad reputation and that´s all i wanted to explain.
I think the guys here at the forum have a right to know that.
A forum should be used for real and good informations and not for advertizing. That´s what these dealer is doing in Germany too.

@Dhonti

i spoke with Peter Schuppke about that fish and when you have seen a whole bunch of catched fish you can see what they did, SELECTED

[Lisachromis]

Beyond the fact of whether or not they have a bad reputation, selecting amongst fish in a species to sell or breed is something just about everyone does. It may not be intentional by most, but it is something that people do. I can see colour differences in the photos he's showing. It's no different than selecting for certain colours in guppies. They are all guppies no matter the colour. Some people do not like when people 'linebreed' a species to emphasize either colours or shapes. Look at what people have done to dogs. I have my opinion of this, like others do. I'm not going to push it, other than to say I don't like hybrids all that much. These fish are not hybrids.

They probably ought to let people know that not all the fish will not look the same. I can imagine some people may be disappointed when their first generation doesn't look exactly like the parents.

The reasoning behind not getting into business practices here is stated below.

1 - It's impossible for the moderators to verify the veracity of the statements. We don't know whether the business is truly bad or someone has a grudge and is dragging someone's name in the mud. We cannot take sides. This is also why we do not have a trading section here.

2 - Some businesses may take it upon themselves to sue whoever is making these statements or allowing them. I realize that not every place can sue for stuff like this, but some places do. We'd rather not get involved in any legalities.

[James Shingler]

mmmm I want to avoid line bred if possible (I realy do not think this is important to many its maybe just an emotional thing) but have no real objection to selected F1s from selected wild fish.
I have no idea wether Peters supliers do this or not and am not put off trying and seeing for myself.
But I am open to suggestions if you can give me what you describe as true importers as long as they also sell F1s (which is all I can probably afford)
It is 5 years since my last perchase of Tropheus F1s and this one will probably be in the next year or two and prob be Kavalla "Kongole" 4.4 and from a good UK suplier if I can find one. Holland the next choice and Germany only if I can not find what I want nearer home. (My choice will hardly make any difference to anyone except myself.)
I still have some research to do
Thanks all.

All the best.
James

[eagle]

OK. 2 years passed. I've seen that there are wildcaught Musanga on sale in Germany by Cichlidenstadel. Does somebody know if they are really as yellowish as in the pictures above?

[Ancelin Sébastien]

When I went it was not quite on between Musanga, linang, Nkonde saw one group it remained that of males but I cross over the selection, given on the spot is that my opinion.

[markw]

I remember seeing this post years ago, and had contemplated importing the fish myself. Subsequent to then I have had the fortune of importing the T. moori musanga from two seperate importers. One from the U.S. and one from Canada. I currently have a colony of 35 w/c adults and now about 40 fry from many of the adults. The fry are unmistakenly identical in their yellow colouration as the adults. It is not the pure yellow fish that was displayed on various sites years ago, but exactly how the pics. shown. The fish from both importers are identical in their colours as well. I have actually been slightly skeptical myself with this variant, as it is so new and unknown. But now having seen the fry mature and resemble their parents identically, I have to believe they are no line bred hybridized creation from someone's imagination.