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Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Wed Nov 17, 2010 10:53 am

I have created a page for Cichlidae mayor classification, comments are welcomed. Three sub-families are recognized; Cichlinae, Etroplinae and Pseudocrenilabrinae:

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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Darrell Ullisch » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:15 am

This is great, thank you Juan! I've always had trouble finding this level of classification for Cichlidae, having it all in one place is very useful.

However, I found it quite interesting that Tribe Hemichromini did not include Hemichromis, but that it did include Thysochromis. Lamboj placed Thysochromis in the Chromidotilapiini in his book. Did I miss a change?
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Philippe Burnel » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:27 am

That's great but I think that you'll allways find somebody to say that things are wrong because nobody exactly agrees with his neighbour.
Why dont you include Cyprichromis and paracyprichromis in ectodinii ? and not in their own tribe Cyprichromini
Why Cardiopharynx is not included in ectodini ?
Chalinochromis => lamprologini

Anyway that's a good idea that must become more refined with the help of everybody here

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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:57 am

Thanks for your comments, As you can see it is not yet complete, so your comments are very valuable. In regards to what you mention Philippe I totally agree on the fact this is not to be agree on consensus, there cant be such, but we can certainly improve it bits by bits. In the title of the page I mention this is the Cichlid Room Companion view of things. I am certainly not planning to adopt one tribe per genus and one subfamily per tribe (as some authors closely suggest). This could render the classification useless. One thing I will always try is to give a reference and reasons why certain genera are included in a certain tribe. I will later create a report that expands each tribe giving more information about it. Please keep the comments coming.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Philippe Burnel » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:17 pm

Philippe Burnel wrote:Why dont you include Cyprichromis and paracyprichromis i


"do you" and not "dont you".. sorry
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Wed Nov 17, 2010 12:20 pm

Any reference for placing Mazarunia and Taeniacara in a tribe?
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby cichla » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:03 pm

Juan Artigas wrote:Any reference for placing Mazarunia and Taeniacara in a tribe?

Taeniacara is part of the Tribe: Geophagini (Haseman, 1911) for sure (based on morphology and molecular data).
Source: López-Fernández et al. (2005): Morphology, molecules, and character congruence in the phylogeny of South American geophagine cichlids. Zool. Scripta 34, 627–651.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby cichla » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:24 pm

Juan Artigas wrote:Any reference for placing Mazarunia and Taeniacara in a tribe?

Based on molecular data, Mazaruinia is thought to be closely related to Guianacara.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Simon Morgan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 1:47 pm

I've felt for a long time that traditional classification doesn't suit modern thinking about evolution. We try to pigeon-hole everything into discrete little boxes, but in reality, organisms are part of a continuous spectrum of variability. Why hasn't anyone come up with an alternative method yet?
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Bas Pels » Wed Nov 17, 2010 3:11 pm

I was very surprised seeing Australoheros among Cichlasomini

Anybody got a publication?
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby cichla » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:09 pm

Simon Morgan wrote: Why hasn't anyone come up with an alternative method yet?

Actually there is an alternative approach, the Phylogenetic taxonomy. The advocates of this approach even have their own Code of Nomenclature, the PhyloCode. For instance new species are not in need to be included in a genus.
I think, however, that the traditional Linnean nomenclature corresponds better with the human desire to order the things (in our case species and genera).
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby cichla » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:38 pm

Tribe: Herichthyni. The correct spelling should be Herichthyini. See Huber: ''The genitive form produces the stem 'ichthy-' ... like Aplocheilichthyini for Aplocheilichthys''.

Herichthyini is part of Heroini. See: López-Fernández et al. (2010): Multilocus phylogeny and rapid radiations in Neotropical cichlid fishes. Molecular Phylogenetics and Evolution 55: 1070–1086.

Australoheros is a member of Heroini (evidenced by morphological and molecular data).
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Simon Morgan » Wed Nov 17, 2010 4:46 pm

[quote="cichla"][quote="Simon Morgan"] Why hasn't anyone come up with an alternative method yet?[/quote]
Actually there is an alternative approach, the Phylogenetic taxonomy. The advocates of this approach even have their own Code of Nomenclature, the PhyloCode. For instance new species are not in need to be included in a genus.
I think, however, that the traditional Linnean nomenclature corresponds better with the human desire to order the things (in our case species and genera).
Greetings, IS[/quote]
Thanks, I studied biology as a student but wasn't aware of this development, I must do my homework, eh?
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Wed Nov 17, 2010 6:05 pm

Simon Morgan wrote:I've felt for a long time that traditional classification doesn't suit modern thinking about evolution. We try to pigeon-hole everything into discrete little boxes, but in reality, organisms are part of a continuous spectrum of variability. Why hasn't anyone come up with an alternative method yet?


I think modern taxonomy is focused on a phylogenetic approach. Regardless evolution may be both abrupt or a continuous spectrum of different creatures, I believe Linnean taxonomy help us to better understand it, as you can keep a phylogenetic tree in your head more easily by assigning mayor classifications to animals. Beyond that, both systems serve a purpose as they are basically created so we can know what we are referring to when talking about an organism by a name.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby cichla » Thu Nov 18, 2010 5:57 pm

I think, we should differentiate between Nomenclature and Classification.
There are two different approaches for nomenclature the ICZN and the PhyloCode. The majority follow the ICZN.
And there are several approaches for classification. The two major ones are the ''Evolutionary Classification'' and the ''Phylogenetic Classification''. One of the major difference is how paraphyletic groups are treated. The first one recognize (name) paraphyletic groups the second wouldnt.
For instance there is no problem to recognize the Tribe Acaroniini under the Evolutionary Classification, but this tribe will be a synonym of Tribe Cichlasomatini under the Phylogenetic approach.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Thu Nov 18, 2010 6:28 pm

Good point. Thank you
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Rico Morgenstern » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:17 pm

Simon Morgan wrote:I've felt for a long time that traditional classification doesn't suit modern thinking about evolution. We try to pigeon-hole everything into discrete little boxes, but in reality, organisms are part of a continuous spectrum of variability. Why hasn't anyone come up with an alternative method yet?


How to classify things that are part of a continuum? Wouldn't it be even impossible to recognize something like a species than? However, I think the 'traditional' Linnean classification should be seen as a tool describing a state rather than a process. Seen as such, it is certainly not purely artifical.

cichla wrote:There are two different approaches for nomenclature the ICZN and the PhyloCode. The majority follow the ICZN.


For a discussion of Phylocode (among many other interesting things: Did you know, i. e., who is the type of Homo sapiens?) see the FAQ section of the ICZN website:

http://iczn.org/category/faqs/frequently-asked-questions

To the cichlid classification:

There is a fourth subfamily: Ptychochrominae Tawil, 2001 (authorship and date not checked), which contains all genera from Madagascar except Paretroplus; see Sparks & Smith (2004):

http://homepage.mac.com/wmleosmith/pubs/assets/10_SparksSmithCichlid.pdf

For the most recent (?) classification of Neotropical cichlids see:

http://homepage.mac.com/wmleosmith/pubs/assets/20_SmithetalCichlinae.pdf

A tribe name 'Herichthyini' is not available. As family group names (family, subfamily, tribe, subtribe) are regulated by the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, they must be established according to the provisions of the relevant articles. Rican & al. have only refered to an informal group 'Herichthyines' throughout their paper.

The African cichlids are much more problematic, as there is no 'official' classification available except for Lake Tanganyika Cichlids.

It is quite correct to use Pseudocrenilabrini instead of the more familiar Haplochromini as the former name is the oldest available name for the group. The following additional genera are part of Pseudocrenilabrini: Caprichromis, Chetia, Corematodus, Ctenopharynx, Cyathochromis, Cyclopharynx, Diplotaxodon, Docimodus, Enterochromis, Exochochromis, Gaurochromis, Hemitaeniochromis, Hoplotilapia, Labrochromis, Lichnochromis, Lithochromis, Macropleurodus, Mylochromis, Naevochromis, Nyassachromis, Orthochromis, Pallidochromis, Pharyngochromis, Platytaeniodus, Psammochromis, Ptyochromis, Rhamphochromis, Sargochromis, Schubotzia, Schwetzochromis, Sciaenochromis, Serranochromis, Taeniochromis, Taeniolethrinops, Thoracochromis, Tramitichromis, Trematocranus, Tridontochromis, Tyrannochromis, Yssichromis.

Alcolapia belongs to Tilapiini, Julidochromis to Lamprologini, Congochromis and Enigmatochromis to Chromidotilapiini. Heterochromis and Tylochromis form tribes of their own: Heterochromidini Kullander, 1998 and Tylochromini Poll, 1986, respectively.

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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Fri Nov 19, 2010 2:54 pm

Rico Morgenstern wrote:There is a fourth subfamily: Ptychochrominae Tawil, 2001


Apparently there are even more, Kullander (1988) proposes Retroculinae and Cichlasominae. Tawil (2001) also proposes Paratilapiinae, Boulengerochrominae besides Ptychochrominae, Fernández-Yépez (1951) (I haven't check this writing yet) proposes Astronotinae, Hoedeman (1947) proposes Tilapiinae. Haseman (1911) proposes Geophaginae and Poll (1986) proposes Tylochrominae. I have decided for the time being just include the three main sub-families while I study more this matter. I find not logical to use Pseudocrenilabrinae for most African cichlids while populating the younger American cichlids and the more restricted (area and number) Madagascar cichlids with several sub-families.

Haseman, J. D.; 1911; "An annotated catalog of the cichlid fishes collected by the expedition of the Carnegie Museum to central South America, 1907-10"; Annals of the Carnegie Museum; pp. 329-373

Hoedeman, J. J.; 1947; "Encyclopaedie voor de Aquariumhouder"; Encyclopaedie voor de Aquariumhouder; Pp. X. 60.76

Fernández-Yépez, Agustín; 1951; "Presencia de Chaetobranchus en Venezuela"; Evencias; 11

Poll, Max; 1986; "Classification des Cichlidae du lac Tanganika. Tribus, genres et especes"; Academie Royale de Belgique, Mémoires de la Classe des Sciences; Collection in 8 - 2ème série; 45 (2); p 66-67

Tawil, Patrick; 2001; "L'évolution des Cichlidés"; L'an Cichlidé; v. 1; pp 69-86

http://homepage.mac.com/wmleosmith/pubs/assets/20_SmithetalCichlinae.pdf

Rico Morgenstern wrote:A tribe name 'Herichthyini' is not available. As family group names (family, subfamily, tribe, subtribe) are regulated by the International Code of Zoological Nomenclature, they must be established according to the provisions of the relevant articles. Rican & al. have only refered to an informal group 'Herichthyines' throughout their paper.


Thank you I had realized that, I had just procrastinated its removal, sames goes for Amphilophini and Astatheroini groups, which I left out for the same reason. I however believe they could be useful if properly proposed.

The African cichlids are much more problematic, as there is no 'official' classification available except for Lake Tanganyika Cichlids.

Rico Morgenstern wrote:It is quite correct to use Pseudocrenilabrini instead of the more familiar Haplochromini as the former name is the oldest available name for the group. The following additional genera are part of Pseudocrenilabrini: Caprichromis, Chetia, Corematodus, Ctenopharynx, Cyathochromis, Cyclopharynx, Diplotaxodon, Docimodus, Enterochromis, Exochochromis, Gaurochromis, Hemitaeniochromis, Hoplotilapia, Labrochromis, Lichnochromis, Lithochromis, Macropleurodus, Mylochromis, Naevochromis, Nyassachromis, Orthochromis, Pallidochromis, Pharyngochromis, Platytaeniodus, Psammochromis, Ptyochromis, Rhamphochromis, Sargochromis, Schubotzia, Schwetzochromis, Sciaenochromis, Serranochromis, Taeniochromis, Taeniolethrinops, Thoracochromis, Tramitichromis, Trematocranus, Tridontochromis, Tyrannochromis, Yssichromis.

Alcolapia belongs to Tilapiini, Julidochromis to Lamprologini, Congochromis and Enigmatochromis to Chromidotilapiini. Heterochromis and Tylochromis form tribes of their own: Heterochromidini Kullander, 1998 and Tylochromini Poll, 1986, respectively.


Now I want to include a reference for each assignation. Would you have it available?

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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Juan Artigas » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:08 pm

Rico Morgenstern wrote:For the most recent (?) classification of Neotropical cichlids see:

http://homepage.mac.com/wmleosmith/pubs/assets/20_SmithetalCichlinae.pdf



I have followed this paper now for south american cichlids and removed with this all paraphyletic assignations.
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Re: Cichlidae classification

Postby Rico Morgenstern » Fri Nov 19, 2010 4:18 pm

Juan Artigas wrote:Apparently there are even more, Kullander (1988) proposes Retroculinae and Cichlasominae. Tawil (2001) also proposes Paratilapiinae, Boulengerochrominae besides Ptychochrominae, Fernández-Yépez (1951) (I haven't check this writing yet) proposes Astronotinae, Hoedeman (1947) proposes Tilapiinae. Haseman (1911) proposes Geophaginae and Poll (1986) proposes Tylochrominae. I have decided for the time being just include the three main sub-families while I study more this matter. I find not logical to use Pseudocrenilabrinae for most African cichlids while populating the younger American cichlids and the more restricted (area and number) Madagascar cichlids with several sub-families.


I think this is not a matter of distribution and species number. The separation of Ptychochrominae from Etroplinae is well supported by several studies and in my view even if one takes only a look at these fishes. Personally, I would prefer the 'four-subfamily-solution' of Sparks & Smith over a splitting into much more subfamilies for sake of clearness.

Juan Artigas wrote:Now I want to include a reference for each assignation. Would you have it available?


It's not so easy to find the proper references here for, as noted above, there is no comprehensive study on all african cichlids published so far, so the assignment is sometimes only implied by the known or proposed relationships of a genus.

The reference for Lake Malawi genera is Eccles & Trewavas 1989, I will look for the others.

Alcolapia was included in Tilapiini by Trewavas 1983, Julidochromis in Lamprologini by Poll 1986, the references for Heterochromidini Kullander, 1998 and Tylochromini Poll, 1986 are the respective original descriptions.
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