New Apistogramma

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New Apistogramma

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Post by Philippe Burnel » Tue May 16, 2017 5:53 am

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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by DRE » Tue May 16, 2017 5:55 am

Thanks, must be sp. kelleri right? Why is that name not mensioned in the description?
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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by cichla » Tue May 16, 2017 7:51 am

Yes, Apistogramma sp. ‚Kelleri‘ is very similar (perhaps the same species). However, I guess that Römer will describe this ‘form’ as a new species.

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Post by Florent » Tue May 16, 2017 9:41 pm

Maybe A. sp Kelleri is the yet undescribed form cited in the paper.
On the basis of cluster analysis studies of the phylogenetic relationships within the genus (RöMeR, 2006c), these two species, along with a further, as yet undescribed, form, constitute the Apistogramma barlowi subcomplex within this species-rich phylogenetic group.

As A. sp kelleri and A. sp diamond face /jutai have regulary been considered as the same fish in aquarium, it's quite strange eigth autors, Apistogramma specialists, don't say a single word about that.
Why ?

Some interesting discussions about the diamond face and kelleri
http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/threa ... face.9405/
http://www.apistogramma.com/forum/threa ... post-90079

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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by cichla » Thu May 18, 2017 4:08 pm

Thanks Florent, Dear all,

Well, I guess this paper (see below) may bring light into the dark...
"Anmerkungen zur Identifizierung von Apistogramma sp. 'Jutai' … aus dem oberen Amazonas-Einzug. – DCG-Informationen 46 (2): 26 – 31."

Does anyone have this as a pdf?

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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by cichla » Fri May 19, 2017 12:05 pm

cichla wrote:Does anyone have this as a pdf?
Meanwhile, I have received the pdf. Thanks.

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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by Mike Wise » Mon May 22, 2017 10:18 am

I talked (Skype) to Dr. Römer recently. This is the same species as sold as A. sp. Keller/Diamond Face/Jutai. He originally was of the opinion that the Colombian (Kelleri) and Brazilian (Jutai) populations might be different species. For now he considers them one.

Anyone who has read the description might have noticed this statement under 'Systematic Relationships': "... these two species, along with a further, as yet undescribed, form, constitute the Apistogramma barlowi subcomplex ...". Tom Christoffersen & I saw specimens of this form when in Peru in 2015. We were told it is found near the mouth of the Río Napo, well west of the distribution of A. barlowi.

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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by cichla » Tue May 23, 2017 3:13 pm

Dear Mike,
Thanks for the informative clarification.

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Post by Bojan Dolenc » Fri Oct 13, 2017 3:03 am

Update: > 24.10.2017
➤ Description of a new maternal larvophilic mouth-brooding cichlid species, Apistogramma megastoma sp. n. (Teleostei: Perciformes: Geophaginae), from Loreto, Peru. Vertebrate Zoology, 67 (2): 151-171.
http://www.senckenberg.de/files/content ... 51-171.pdf
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Re: New Apistogramma

Post by Philippe Burnel » Fri Oct 13, 2017 12:58 pm

update just because the description was previously only "on line" and so need a paper publication. Now done.
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