The Project

By Dan Woodland

The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:39 am

The Project

The time has come for me to rethink my fish keeping paradigm. I’ve waited a long time to use that word in a sentence that didn’t have to do with business. :D

In the past my paradigm has been to acquire fish then, breed, study a short time, photo them and move them out – meaning sell or give them away. Over the years most fry I’ve raised have been given away to "needy" Cichlid keepers. Actually I’ve tried to distribute as many as possible. This “natural turnover” ensured my fish room never wanted for new and interesting fish. Unfortunately this also meant I would never see the fish in all stages of their life. If there is one thing I have learned about Cichlids, they are extremely adaptable and have many more characteristics than we have discovered, to date. They are always showing me something new. For example, Cyphotilapia sp will let clown loaches (Chromobotia macracanthus) act as cleaner fishes like salt water Cleaner Wrasses (Labroides dimidiatus). That’s right, Cyphotilapia sp will lie on their sides and let the loaches “massage or clean” them. When the Cyphotilapia sp have had enough they shudder for a second or two and the clown loach will move on to another fish or hide.

My new paradigm will contain the previous practice of raising fish and breeding but my main focus will be “very long term projects”. Most of you know any Central American Cichlid is a long term project – at least a couple years if you let nature take its course. Some think its okay to jam food into their fish to make them grow faster and faster but I do not. With exception of larger predators after a meal I’ve never seen a fat fish in nature, they are constantly moving and searching for small morsels of food, no one is there throwing handfuls of processed food into the rivers and lakes. I plan to keep fish for longer than the standard two to five years I normally do. The idea is to study them for longer a period of time, leave the fry with the parents and watch them raise the fry to the point of “setting them adrift” or until they can fend for themselves. That is my plan, now if the parents can’t follow my wishes I’ll have to think of another plan. I will start my new endeavor with the following: F1 Crenicichla minuano (Rio Cuarecuin, Uruguay), F1 Herichthys labridens (Media Luna, Mexico), Gnathochromis permaxilaris (Lake Tanganyika), F1 Cichlasoma beani (Rio Panuco, Mexico), and wild Crenicichla sp. “citris” (Rio San Martin, Bolivia), F1 Petenia splendida (Lago Peten, Guatemala), Caquetaia umbrifera (Panama), wild Cryptoheros nanaluteus (Rio Manantee, Panama). I’ve had the pleasure and great fortune since 1998 to see numerous Cichlids in their natural habitat. I can tell you there nothing like it!!! You may think they act the same in your tanks as in nature but they don’t. The tight cramped quarters we provide our fishy friends, especially the larger species I like to keep, are woefully undersized.

I've always "made things work” in the tanks I had on hand – 75 gallons or less. This made for some interesting tank mate combinations and a touch of added stress on the fish and provider of that tank space, namely me. I’ve always felt fish, Cichlids in particular since that’s mainly what I keep, deserved to have a larger place to live and breed. On every trip I’ve ever been on fish have miles of river to do just that. Removing them from that environment and placing them in a four foot long enclosure didn’t seem right. To help guide me I will be using the Responsible Cichlid Keeping guidelines (RCK) developed by Willem Heijns of the Netherlands. Willem’s guidelines take fish size, aggression, speed, and more into account when determining what size tank to use for each Cichlid species. In reality this could be used for any species of fish or even aquatic animals in general. The example he sights is Petenia splendida. They grow to approximately 20” and are fairly fast but relatively non-aggressive (unless you fit in their mouth). The result of the RCK calculation is a tank requirement of at least 10 feet! That is a large tank by any standard!

The main problem here in the United States is tank prices beyond six foot models are usually out of reach of the vast majority of fish keepers let alone those wanting to keep the BIG STUFF. It seems the price jumps dramatically for a tank over six foot so the “standard” big tank seems to be 72” or slightly less – seventy-five gallons being large to some. I’ll have more on this later.

Another aspect of this project is moving toward natural aquascaping in all my tanks in an effort to duplicate the original environment for each fish. Previously I provided clay drain tiles, pots and PVC pipes for breeding and hiding spots but now I’m headed in the direction of o-natural. For example, I’ve recently set up my Cenicichlia minuano in a six foot tank full of boulders and rocks including a “sandy” intermediate zone at one end. Oddly enough they congregate in the sandy zone only retreating to the rocks when they feel nervous – my chocolate Labrador Hershey falls into that category. My fish really intrigue him. I recently moved the Cenicichlia minuano to a 150W so it has taken them some time to get used to the larger surroundings but I can see a difference in their behavior already. This new philosophy will encompass as much of their natural habitat as I can including substrate, debris and water current. I’ll touch more on current later.

My remodeling project will also include a tank large enough to house most fish, except the really large ones. I have reworked my fish room design to include a tank of up to 20 feet long. I’m in the process of determining if it possible in my current work space. You would not believe the logistical and engineering issues that arise in a project like this, especially for someone who has never undertaken such a project like this, again namely me! Although that was the plan it will not come to fruition. Unfortunately the basement floor of my addition, where my fish room lives, was not reinforced properly to handle the great weight of such a large fish tank. To make it happen I would have had to dig new support piers and fill them with concrete after I cut holes into my current basement floor. Too much work and expense I could not justify with a daughter heading off to college next year. You’ve got to draw the line somewhere. Instead I’ve opted for installing, for starters, four new one hundred-eighty gallon tanks (72” x 24” x 25 5/8”). Three of those will run the length of the 20 foot wall on one side of the room with additional six foot one hundred-fifty gallon tanks below (72” x 20” x 24”). To that I’ll add six more 72” tanks from one hundred gallons to one hundred twenty-five gallons for a total of twelve six foot tanks.

This fish room rework also includes adding new technology. For example, I will probably add the new craze in filtration, Poret Foam or an equivalent, to each of my tanks in some way including all the small tanks that will remain – ten fifteen gallon tanks for fry. I am in the process of working out how I want to proceed with this feature as well.

I’ll post photos soon to document the process or renovation if you will.

In the end my fish room will have approximately 22 tanks, down from 30, 10 of those will be fifteen gallon hospital/fry/photo tanks. The other twelve tanks will be six feet long and at least 100 gallons as I mentioned above.

More to come…
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:03 pm

Some pictures....

First I sold off all the tanks I didn't want any longer - anything under 100 gallons. Luckily the Frugal Aquarist was ramping up his fish room to 50 some tanks while I wanted to down size... I also started painting "around" everything!

Here is the room as it looked before my remodeling project.

125 - My fish room 5.jpg
My first rendition


IMG_2254001.jpg
Tanks sold!!


This is where I plan to move a small rack of 15 gallons to the fish room. They were in another room. I will also rebuild the rack to be more stable and compact.

IMG_2644.jpg
The rack to be moved....
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Pam Chin » Fri Oct 22, 2010 6:38 pm

Dan,

Nice, nice! I applaud your efforts! I am ready to change a few things in my fish house too. And I am going to add larger tanks and get rid of some of the smaller tanks. For one, we aren't doing nearly as many peacocks, these fish are tank hogs since they all need to be separate species only tanks. So out with them, and in with some (6 - 8) 125's. Larger tanks give you so many more options!

I will be following your project closely!

Cichlid Power!
Pam
Cichlid Power!
Pam Chin

I've never met a cichlid I didn't like!
http://s1249.photobucket.com/albums/hh506/PamChin100/
User avatar
Pam Chin
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 183
Joined: Sat Nov 29, 2003 3:51 pm
Location: Northern California

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:54 pm

Pam Chin wrote:Dan,

Nice, nice! I applaud your efforts! I am ready to change a few things in my fish house too. And I am going to add larger tanks and get rid of some of the smaller tanks. For one, we aren't doing nearly as many peacocks, these fish are tank hogs since they all need to be separate species only tanks. So out with them, and in with some (6 - 8) 125's. Larger tanks give you so many more options!

I will be following your project closely!

Cichlid Power!
Pam


Hi Pam,

I decide long ago to not keep peacocks and such, I could only raise so many of the same fish.

Feel free to join in or share...
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Fri Oct 22, 2010 10:08 pm

Here I decided to remove everything instead of working around pipes and such.

IMG_2323.jpg
More destruction...


You can never have too many fittings. I suggest you buy ten of each part you think you need then buy more. You can always take them back to the store.

IMG_2328.jpg
Parts GALORE!!


Now to rework the plumbing and water supply.

IMG_2333.jpg
So far so good...


IMG_2334.jpg
Old Valves, New plumbing...


And I needed to add more power outlets for the small rack. Since each tank has a heater, four would not do.

IMG_2331.jpg
more power!!!


Electrical done and more plumbing done. Man was this a lot of work!!

IMG_2344.jpg
Nearly ready to move the rack.
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Mon Oct 25, 2010 10:17 am

A couple notes of warning:

On plumbing, make sure you don't use too much teflon tape on threaded connections and make sure the male end threads into the fitting all the way. I had a few minor but persistent leaks to fix. Also, make sure to use the proper glue for the pipe used. When gluing two parts together plan to turn them slightly as they are pressed together, this will increase the seal and reduce the likelihood of a leak.

On electrical: Make sure to use the correct gauge wire for the application. Don't use #14 wire when #12 should be used especially for circuits where heaters are being plugged in.

Over all take your time. Taking a few extra minutes while doing the job will ensure no trouble later. Not that I didn't do just that but it's very tempting to "hurry" yourself to get things done! :D
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:41 pm

Speaking of distractions.... make sure you don't leave a hose loose or running while your distracted... You'll end up with a mess! That includes answering the phone!

IMG_4388.jpg
Left a hose running
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Wed Oct 27, 2010 10:56 pm

Back to the project...

IMG_2324.jpg
The new 15 gallon stand is ready


I notched the legs of this stand which makes a much stronger connection.

IMG_2340.jpg
A new way to connect the legs.


IMG_2341.jpg
Another view...


I attached the drains to the stand so the entire stand cam be moved as one piece.

IMG_2343.jpg
The plumbing...


Here is the stand in place and ready for tanks.

IMG_2346.jpg
Oh, the anticipation


The aftermath of the move....

IMG_2260001.jpg
yuk!
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby ianmcintyre45 » Thu Nov 11, 2010 6:30 am

You must post photos of the completed project, would be very interesting to see.

I recently completed mine in a converted outbuilding at the back of my house here in the UK.
I have just recently got some new species in, and so far so good. I have also started to look into expanding my Shark species collection. I have 9 Columbians and 2 Dolphin Sharks at the moment, but I will need to move my Dolphins into a bigger tank as they are getting too big for their current home. I would like some Rainbow or Red Tail Sharks to begin with.

I've got 38 species of cichlids and I want to get a few more when I rehome my Dolphins and use their old tank. I would like to get some rare African species,such as the nimbochromis livingstonii.

I will need to post some photos when I get the chance.

Over here in the UK there are only a few good places to get new breeds from as the current climate (financial) there seems to be less people buying and more places closing, which is a shame as I know 1 or 2 other breeders near me who like to supply to the shops.
ianmcintyre45
 
Posts: 1
Joined: Wed Nov 10, 2010 9:05 am
Location: Scotland

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Sat Nov 13, 2010 12:03 am

Well, life and the job interrupted things a bit. Also preparing for a little thing called The Ohio Cichlid Extravaganza took a little time away from my fish room playing... Not to mention the 1989 pickup truck I'm refurbishing. 8)

I ended up having to make an intermediate move of the 15 gallon tank rack. I thought I needed the room to maneuver 10 foot long pieces of glass into my fish room but that portion of the project fell through. I guess no one told the guy you couldn't score a 10 foot piece of glass to cut it in half then make a big tank out of it.

This move also gave me more time to rebuild the new rack at my liesure.

IMG_2258001.jpg
temporary move...


Here are the filters I will use for my 15 gallon tanks. Made from a piece of Poret foam cut to fit then I made a lift tube from ¾ inch PVC and notched the foam to allow for the lift tube to rest in place and still fit under the glass tops.

IMG_2352.jpg
filter sponge

IMG_2353.jpg
filter sponge 2

IMG_2354.jpg
filter spnge 3


An air line is inserted into the top of the PVC elbow and pushed in until the end extends nearly to the bottom of the long tube. The air, provided by a linear pump, will rise up the long tube drawing water up as it rises then the water and air exit end of the short tube.

Here the water is delivered to each tank through a shut-off valve and air line tubing. I'll cover water delivery more later...
IMG_2356.jpg
filter sponge


Here is the filter in action...

IMG_4546001.jpg
Filter sponge in action
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Sat Nov 27, 2010 5:02 pm

The Extravaganza is over for another year, a great show this year!, so now I can get back to home projects.

Here is the final resting place of the new 15 gallon rack next to the sink. All the inhabitants including H. beani, V. argentia and some new Corydoras are very happy.

IMG_4554.jpg
15 gallon rack in place.


Here a friend and I moved three racks of various six foot tanks into their final positions. We ended up draining the water, moving the fish into buckets and garbage cans then sliding the racks on "furniture moving" sliders. The sliders worked quite well even with the heavy weights but they were only good for one or two moves since the floor was sandy and dirty from all the water and sand/gravel that had to be moved etc. The sliders were trashed in just a couple moves. That being said we got it done in two nights after work.

IMG_2252001.jpg
the first big tank move
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Jshakour » Tue Dec 07, 2010 11:38 pm

I tried notching out the legs for my stand and they did not come out good at all.

At January's meeting I'll have to pick your brain!!!!


great post Dan!
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
-James
User avatar
Jshakour
 
Posts: 682
Joined: Sun Nov 30, 2008 5:20 pm
Location: Northeast Ohio

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Wed Dec 08, 2010 5:12 pm

Sure, I'll be there.
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Thu Dec 09, 2010 6:29 pm

For you Zack, next weekend. :D
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:47 pm

Ah that was good! A long Christmas and New Year break. A much needed break.

All my tanks are in position now so here are a few shots....

This shot shows three 180s with 100 or 150 wide below.

IMG_4564.jpg
To the left of the entrance...


This shot is the rack to the right of the entrance and across from my 15 gallon rack... Here is a 180 and a 100 gallon.

IMG_4565.jpg


Behind the rack above is two more with 2-125s for a total of four.
IMG_4556.jpg


IMG_4555.jpg



Lastly, I wedged in a pair of 40 breeders since I felt I didn't ahve enough fry raising room.

IMG_4559.jpg
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Mon Jan 03, 2011 8:54 pm

Whew, I'm glad that's over!!

I can promise you this is my last fish room remodel. Unless of course I fall into a huge windfall then all bets are off! :lol:
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby Jombi21 » Tue Jan 04, 2011 10:53 am

Looks great! I have to see it in person one day. Can't wait for the next installments.

Jom
Happiness Has Fins

EMAIL ME!!!! jdietric@mail.bw.edu
User avatar
Jombi21
 
Posts: 587
Joined: Wed Dec 05, 2007 2:06 am
Location: Cleveland, Ohio

Re: The Project

Postby Dan Woodland » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:35 am

Jombi21 wrote:Looks great! I have to see it in person one day. Can't wait for the next installments.

Jom


Any time Jom. Before a meeting?
User avatar
Dan Woodland
CichlidRoom Expert
 
Posts: 2831
Joined: Wed Mar 01, 2006 10:49 am

Re: The Project

Postby markh » Tue Jan 04, 2011 11:40 am

Now that you have finished yours you can come over and redo my fish room! :D Looks great! Can't wait to see it in person.

Mark
Mark Huntington
markh
 
Posts: 156
Joined: Sun May 31, 2009 9:07 pm

Re: The Project

Postby tom evers » Tue Jan 11, 2011 4:45 pm

ive seen it and it looks even better in person!!!
you can never have too many cichlids!
tom evers
 
Posts: 60
Joined: Sun Feb 08, 2009 4:33 pm
Location: Brunswick Hills, Ohio

Next

Return to My underground lair

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest