Alcoapia alcalicus

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Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:54 pm

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Re: Alcolapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Fri Jul 20, 2012 9:56 pm

OOps Alcolapia couldnt find an edit button

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Bas Pels » Sat Jul 21, 2012 2:57 am

beautiful

and quite special in bodyshape

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by smitty » Sat Jul 21, 2012 10:53 am

Not very familiar with them but looking at your photos definitely something I would like to have.
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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Piotr Koba » Sat Jul 21, 2012 12:20 pm

Great photos you have just shared with us. It would be even nicer if you shared some experiences with the species? They don't belong to those cichlids you can find in every LFS.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Wed Jul 25, 2012 8:04 am

They are from Lake Natron, actually part of the Rift.
But it is a shallow, soda lake, meaning it is more saline than the ocean. They live on the periphery, as the lake proper so alkaline it is uninhabitable
It is also very warm, 90'F plus.
I keep them at temps in the high 80s F where they constantly spawn, unless the temp drops to 80 or below, and they stop.
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They are algae eaters in nature, so I feed a diet high in spirulina.
Although regularly spawn, I have not been able to get fry, because they are in a community with other high temp fish, Acarichthys heckelli, Guinacara geayi, and discus that eat the fry. I have tried breeder boxes, but they always manage to escape. I plan to give them a very shallow tank of their own in the near future,
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I realize the water parameters for this community of fish are to say the least, drastically different (chemically), but my water stays semi neutral (7.5-7.8pH) and all coexist nicely.
When I first acquired the Alcolapia I used very saline conditions, but found it was not necessary.
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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Paulo José Alves » Tue Jul 31, 2012 10:05 am

Hi

Keeping Alcolapia with Dicus and Acarichthys, acid water fish, is something I would never dream doing but aparently you are doing it without any problem, and they breed! It shows that the tolerance of fish and adaptability is bigger than we might think. Interesting.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Philippe Burnel » Tue Jul 31, 2012 11:41 am

Paulo José Alves wrote:Hi

Keeping Alcolapia with Dicus and Acarichthys, acid water fish, is something I would never dream doing but aparently you are doing it without any problem, and they breed! It shows that the tolerance of fish and adaptability is bigger than we might think. Interesting.

The problem is to know how long will they (Alcolapia or Acarichthys) live in such conditions that do not fit with any of these species.
We, aquarists, must give to our fishes water conditions as close to the natural conditions as possible.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Paulo José Alves » Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:22 am

Hi

I just see this experience as a proof that this species endures the conditions in Lake Magadi and in the other two lakes where it was introduced but it doesn´t really apreciates or needs them. Actually it seems that many specimens of this species when captured and mantained in the water where they were captured tend to die very fast which shows that conditions there are extreme even for them. Aparently something similar seems to be the case for other species living in border line conditions like for example Iranocichla. It seems thet even the fish are not masochistic if they can avoid it...
I wouldn´t put Alcolapia with Discus but that aside if the Alcolapia are breeding that means that the conditions are right otherwise that would not happen.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Nebraska_cichlids » Thu Aug 02, 2012 10:43 pm

Duane,

I keep a fairly large breeding group in a species tank, using high temps and brackish conditions. They spawn regularly, but i need to pull the fry a day before they are released, because the parents don't appear to protect the fry, and h other fish in the group would happily eat them up.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Sun Aug 05, 2012 10:18 pm

I just took your advice and had the female spit 5 fry into a net, they are now growing out in a breeder box, the males have been trying to eat the fry thru the box, without success.
Thanks for the advice, these are the first fry I've been able to save. They are eating newly hatched artemia and green water.
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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Tue Aug 07, 2012 8:29 am

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Re: Alcolapia alcalicus

Post by Nebraska_cichlids » Thu Sep 20, 2012 8:59 pm

For those of you who want to give this species a try, I just put up a group for sale on aquabid, category "West African" (which isn't quite where the fish are coming from). I ship within the continental USA.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by duanestuermer » Sun Sep 23, 2012 7:49 am

Little update on the fry, they have been moved from the tiny breeder box to a 30 gal tank.
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And a new half dozen just spit fry are in the box.
By the way, I received my Alcolapia from Janos at Nebraska cichlids, all arrived healthy and vibrant, and packed and shipped superbly.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Nebraska_cichlids » Sun Sep 23, 2012 10:27 pm

Duane,

I appreciate the kind comment. Just for clarification I am just a hobbyist, not a petstore/dealer.

I am glad to see that you got your alcalicus going.

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FS: Alcolapia alcalicus, shipping available

Post by Nebraska_cichlids » Sun Oct 07, 2012 11:30 am

I have a group of alcalicus for sale. This is the last group that I will be shipping this year. I will make up to six specimens available at only $11ea plus shipping. The offer is good throughout October 2012. Send PN if interested. Thanks.

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Re: Alcoapia alcalicus

Post by Kerenaak » Thu Jan 08, 2015 8:58 am

I inquired about them and they are easy to care for and breed as long as the water is hard and alkaline. My take is treat them like tangs and we should be OK. Hopefully I'll come up with more cash soon. Acclimation would depend on where you get them.
Kerena

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